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  •  Original Greek and Hebrew? (4+ / 0-)
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    It's a common misconception that there is some "original Greek and Hebrew" version of the New Testament.  

    There isn't.  

    There's the Judaic Torah, sure, for some of the Old Testament to be compared to.  Most of it is in Hebrew, some of it is in Aramaic.

    There is NO such "original Greek and Hebrew" for any of the New Testament.

    Seriously.  There just isn't.

    There are just one thing after another mentioned in the New Testament books (which were written centuries after the events supposedly being documented) which are not confirmed by contemporary historians who WERE actually around at the time of the supposed events.

    Things like Luke 2:1-4 Ceasar taxing the world, the universal tax census we're familiar with from the Jesus birth story.  Roman records are clear that the first such universal census didn't occur until decades after the supposed time of Luke 2.

    Matthew, Mark, John, none of them knew about this census either.  Funny, that.

    Matthew claims Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great.  Herod's reign ended in 4 BCE, we know this as a matter of historical fact.  Kind of a problem for the census in Luke...

    Herod made a lot of enemies, and particularly anti-Herod historians like Flavius Josephus took meticulous pleasure in reporting on Herod's misdeeds, like the story about Herod having two of his own sons strangled.  And yet no one, including Flavius Josephus, has ever reported any story about Herod ordering the murder of every infant boy in a town just 6 miles from Jerusalem.  

    Because it's FRIGGIN' FICTION.

    I mean, it goes on and on.

    There is no "original Greek and Hebrew", there just isn't.  

    Really.  I promise.

    Who the hell wants to be part of a political movement that has as its most obvious feature politically correct prune lipped moral scolds and incessant guilt trips about how much we all suck?

    by Rick Aucoin on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 11:33:44 AM PDT

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    •  Short hand for things (3+ / 0-)
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      Even the "originals" are copies of corrupted texts (as in full of holes, unreadable, with everything run on because of the need to save writng material, etc.) with additions as the copiers sought to make their own sense of things ... and yes I are all aware that the "Hebrew Scriptures" are not Christian but have been adopted/adapted.

      But really, when you spend 2 academic years just to understand that everything is a translation ... even if the words were "exactly true as dictated by God" the listener or reader brings their own experience and sense of the world to their undersatnding of the text ... I hope that you can forgive a short hand way to say that fundies of any stripe are out to control and dominate because they don't understand that we have different experiences and understandings to bring to the table. Plus, I literally was taLking to the landlady whose educational level and understanding was definitly not up to your level ... well, I over simplified

      Sorry if I offended your sense of accuracy or hit your pet peeve.

      "Life without liberty is like a body without spirit. Liberty without thought is like a disturbed spirit." Kahlil Gibran, 'The Vision'

      by CorinaR on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 11:50:59 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, it's a bit of a peeve I guess. (1+ / 0-)
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        I see people say it so often, and the implication is that there are real historical contemporary documents to back up the New Testament books.

        And there just aren't.  Even the contemporary historians of the day don't confirm anything the New Testament talks about, events that should have made it into ever document about that time and place.

        But I see Christians fairly regularly who are of the opinion that there is irrefutable evidence of the historicity of the New Testament, and it's just not so.

        Who the hell wants to be part of a political movement that has as its most obvious feature politically correct prune lipped moral scolds and incessant guilt trips about how much we all suck?

        by Rick Aucoin on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 03:49:31 PM PDT

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