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  •  Well I agree with that. I know a journalist who (1+ / 0-)
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    is one of the most liberal people among my acquaintances, but he has emphatically said on more than one occasion that he unequivocally supports the Nazis marching in Skokie or Westboro trying to picket anywhere they damn please, because of their first amendment rights to do so.  And he's right.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 03:33:30 PM PDT

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    •  I fully supported the right of the Nazis (0+ / 0-)

      to march in Skokie. Did then, do now. But Skokie is a municipality, and the march was on public streets. I see a clear distinction between that forum and a university campus. Just as it's often said that the First Amendment does not apply here on dailykos.com, it may be that a university, too, has some ability -- if not an obligation -- to establish rules regarding content.

      Here's one example: Suppose a biology professor turns out to be a creationist, and starts teaching creationism in the classroom. The university fires him. Does the professor have any grounds to sue based on First Amendment rights? Why or why not?

      May the university establish restrictions on speech within the classroom? If so, why may it not do so outside of the classroom?

      Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

      by Nowhere Man on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 06:46:31 PM PDT

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      •  As long as the professor was teaching and (0+ / 0-)

        Testing his students on the curriculum, and covering the required elements of the course, they likely wouldn't have much problem with anything else he said.

        Even at the college level, there are goals and outcomes that need to be taught, and if your students don't get those, there can be repercussions.

        Not for what you say or even how you say it, but because your students aren't getting the course content they need to move on.

        •  Totally agree with you. (0+ / 0-)

          The university has not only the right, but the obligation, to ensure that students are being taught properly in the classroom.

          The question is, does that right and obligation end at the classroom door?

          Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

          by Nowhere Man on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 09:26:21 AM PDT

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