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  •  why... (0+ / 0-)

    1) There are known side effects to the vaccine.
    2) Hot shots are known to exist.
    3) The efficacy (and likely the effectiveness) are low.
    4) Vaccine makers and docs are not held liable for any damage they may cause.
    5) We are vaccinating on the whole population, and we are vaccinating more than any other country in the world (by a large degree.)

    •  1 and 2 are true (0+ / 0-)

      3 is exaggerated (depending on age, pretty good for young-uns)

      4 is bullshit. "They" don't cause damage, especially the docs. But there is a vaccine adverse effects reporting system to track problems, and a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

      5 is true, but we're right and they're wrong. ;-)

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 03:27:35 PM PDT

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      •  Liability (0+ / 0-)

        The fact is that pharmaceutical companies and doctors are not liable for any damages caused my vaccinations. Telling me that there is a "fund" (which is actually paid for by the people getting vaccinated) to support whatever damage is done due to negligence or deceit is not comforting.

        In addition even the compensation has severe limitations:

        Starting in 1998, no vaccine manufacturer was liable for a vaccine-related injury or death from one of the recommended vaccines " if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings."
        Plus, any measure of disclosure is no longer a requirement:
        In addition to broad liability protections, the 1986 Law also provides another shield to manufacturers under federal law. The 1986 Law permits them the right to not disclose known risks to parents or guardians of those being vaccinated.
        •  it's bullshit because you cite facts out of contex (0+ / 0-)

          the reason things are set up the way they are is to make sure vax gets made.

          Lawsuits, many of them frivolous, would destroy the country's ability to make vaccine by making them prohibitively expensive. Instead there is a no-fault system with a 'vaccine court'.

          It's a good thing, not a bad thing. It functions much like your state's no-fault car insurance system, making insurance affordable.

          If you want to rant against capitalism, argument clinic is over there ->

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 04:10:02 AM PDT

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          •  Got the first part right, I "cite" facts (0+ / 0-)

            If vaccines were really offering wonderful protection as you suggest, then customers (oh, I guess you are calling them patients in this context even though they are not ill) should be clamoring for them at any price.

            Why does the free market model work for allergy medicines, antidepressants, or erectile dysfunction drugs without the need for liability protections?

            If anything, draconian time limits on making a claim, minimizing payouts, and not allowing the injured to have his day in court is the exact opposite of capitalism.

          •  So very well said Greg /eom (0+ / 0-)

            “I wore black because ... it's still my symbol of rebellion -- against a stagnant status quo, against our hypocritical houses of God, against people whose minds are closed to others' ideas.” -- Johnny Cash

            by RocketJSquirrel on Wed May 01, 2013 at 06:48:07 AM PDT

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    •  but since you brought it up (0+ / 0-)
      "'Very large outbreak' of measles could hit London' - in some boroughs, >50% not fully vaccinated in some age groups http://t.co/...
      @BrendanNyhan via bitly

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 04:15:53 PM PDT

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      •  Greg (0+ / 0-)

        Just to correct your "tweet" reference:

        So far in Swansea there have been almost 1000 confirmed cases of the disease. Further tests will be carried out on the body of Gareth Colfer-Williams, who died while suffering from measles, to determine if that was the cause of his death. Post-mortem examination results were inconclusive
        Here is what actually happened:
        The young man who died during the proclaimed measles epidemic, Gareth Colfer-Williams, did not die from measles.
        And, docs have to cast a wide net:
        Keep in mind that measles is a reportable disease. That means any doctor who suspects someone has measles must report it. It does not mean that the person has the measles.
        So, what suggests this "very large outbreak in London":
        The reality is that only 26 cases were actually confirmed!
        Not 1,000.

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