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  •  Going off the grid (5+ / 0-)

    can be done in stages.

    Most people are connected to the grid 16 zillion ways to Sunday at present.

    But they can disconnect one step at a time.

    Stop supporting the banks.
    Stop supporting the fossil fuel companies.
    Change where you live, if necessary.
    Change your job, if necessary.
    Change your lifestyle, if necessary.

    •  When I took early retirement (8+ / 0-)

      from my public sector job I had earned a small pension and started collecting SS Disability.  My income is fixed and not high.  Not poverty level but just enough to pay monthly bills.  I am grateful for that.  My work was high stress/burnout creating and as I got older, terribly difficult (child sexual abuse investigations/supervision of investigators, Foster Care, Juvenile Justice and institutional abuse reports investigations).

      I have learned to live in a simpler and more frugal way, to some degree.  I cannot eat out in restaurants and I cannot go to the movies like I used to (I have one premium cable movie channel).  I have a beautiful, economical 2011 Hyundai Elantra (I love it).  I stay home a lot, but I am able to sometimes help my son & daughter-in-law with a little money (two children and a small home).

      My life is humble and frugal - but I am ok.

      Peace

    •  People will wish their ancestors kept their land. (5+ / 0-)

      It's more difficult to go completely off the grid nowadays, because of the lack of availability of affordable agricultural land. Most of the family farms have been bought up by huge agribusiness corporations.

      Landless people, historically, have become serfs or slaves. 21st century Americans are going to wish their grandparents or great-grandparents hadn't sold the family farm, because jobs will not be available anymore. We are headed for deep, ever-increasing structural unemployment because of automation/robotics/artificial intelligence and the total financialization of the economy.

      I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen to a society in which most people will neither (a) be able to find a job, or (b) live a subsistence lifestyle on land they own. We're literally talking about a situation in which tens of millions of people are going to be both jobless and landless. That's a recipe for... I don't know... total collapse of the social order?

      Scary times ahead.

      The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

      by Eric Stetson on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 09:20:25 PM PDT

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      •  Poor non-"agricultural" land and nonstandard crops (1+ / 0-)
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        I know even that can be extremely difficult, but we don't need what's usually called "agricultural" land, which is usually plowable rich and flat bottomland.  

        If it isn't actually vertical, you can improve it and grow permaculture crops on it.  Grapes, for instance, grow better on poor steep slopes.  A small amount of land can produce a lot more than a cornfield, if it's managed intensively and sustainably.  Hazelnuts, tough small fruits, perennial vegetables, etc.  Plus a few tomatoes for pure pleasure.  

        Stacking trees, shrubs, and grassy plants can give you seven times as much photosynthesis as the same flat area of corn.  A little livestock to help build the soil, maybe a hive or two of bees?  A root cellar, a solar dehydrator, a stock of your own fermented sauerkraut or kim chee?

        Check out:  http://www.acresusa.com/...

        Capture and store every drop of rain that falls there to compensate for increased flooding and drought probabilities.  There are techniques for growing plants in arid countries.

        Things are very scary these days, but we can start working on alternatives.

        •  Great info. Thanks. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

          by Eric Stetson on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 10:52:13 AM PDT

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