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  •  Yours seems to me a rather inchoate (0+ / 0-)

    rebellion against our present political and economic systems. Rebellion is quite understandable, in fact, desirable, given that those systems are presently dominated by the most selfish oligarchs who are quite willing to kill off anyone who gets in the way of their own survival: their own declaration of "just plain preparing for survival by becoming self sufficient."

    Self sufficiency as a social movement is understandable and even acceptable as a revolt against oligarchically dominated political and economic hierarchies. But, please, stop and realize this simple truth: self sufficiency as a practical matter of every day survival is entirely chimerical. It is a fantasy. Can you really tell me that you will be able to produce your own multi-gigabyte processor for your next "self sufficient" PC?

    Human life is incapable of pure self-sufficiency except at the most brutal, barbaric Hobbesian levels of existence. Have you ever spent an entire night in the woods wet and cold and without shelter? Have you? What do you think your life expectancy would be if you spent every single night at that level of existence? Human life requires some level of economic interaction and industrial organization in order to achieve a modicum of satisfactory existence.

    You'll have to scratch out an integrated circuit on a silicon wafer using only a basic knife to prove me wrong.

    May I suggest you devote yourself to a study of Thorstein Veblen? At least, read his Theory of the Leisure Class, copies of which are available free online.

    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 07:44:28 PM PDT

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    •  Inchoate -Thats a good choice of words (0+ / 0-)

      Inchoate in the sense of partially formed, incomplete, imperfectly formed or developed. In other words  kind of sketchy.

      Most of us have been waiting all our lives for our government to get around to dealing with climate change, taking it seriously, admitting that its caused by humans and if we just do nothing the problem will take care of itself. To call their proposed solutions kind of sketchy or inchoate would be gracious.

      Likewise Peak oil and alternative energy. Just the synergy from combining climate change with peak oil makes cities and nations obsolete; incapable of responding.

      We might try banning the use of  all fossil fuels by 2020 and hope that even if that destroys modern western civilization somewhere in the third world people living at a subsistence level might have the necessary skills to survive, but unfortunately global warming will make everything from the equator to the tropics uninhabitable.

      We could try limiting population on a planetary basis to require a percentage decrease equal to the amount of warming but when it comes to enforcing such a ruling weapons of mass destruction pale in comparison to what famine and disease will do.

      Even as we reach the point where our ability to cure cancer and heart disease and to make people healthier and our ability to avoid wars and disasters can prolong life we come to where thats counter productive.

      As for your next to final comment about scratching out an integrated circuit on a silicone wafer, have you ever read "A Canticle for Leibowitz"? Its an old fifties SF story  in which the survivors of such a holocaust as I imagine work their way back up to about the level of the medieval monestary copying blueprints found in the wreckage of the destroyed civilization as illuminated manuscripts.

      The simplest form of photovoltaic cell is formed in clouds by photons of sunlight passing through the potential difference between all the different electrolytes that come into a cloud because of pollution. This gets stored as static electricity and discharged as lightning in about the same way as a Van de Graf generator.

      Beamed Solar may arrive about the time our oceans die.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 04:06:15 AM PDT

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