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  •  Incrementalism is killing us (4+ / 0-)
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    On that we have no disagreement.
       But battling it out in the courts is their game.
    Not that we should avoid that battle. We need to fight them at every level.

      But if you fight a man at his game, you better be prepared to lose a lot more than you win.

      What we have going for us, the only thing we have going for us other than a sense of justice, is numbers. And the only way to demonstrate those numbers is to get people out into the streets.
       Any other efforts will not get us where we need to go.

    “Wall Street had been doing business with pieces of paper; and now someone asked for a dollar, and it was discovered that the dollar had been mislaid.” ― Upton Sinclair

    by gjohnsit on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 08:45:14 AM PDT

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    •  One needs to look no further than OWS... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...and what happened to it to see how the status quo "played" that (and, how they "play the game," in general). This is my fix on that...

      1.) Our paramilitarized police state--and it IS that now, no matter what we may hear to the contrary--was largely responsible for using downright draconian tactics which scared many and kept others away from participating (its intended purpose, of course). And, the FBI went to great lengths, including the use of a myriad of agent provocateurs to further crush it. (Do I really need to provide LINKS for this last sentence?)  

      2.) Then, a captured Democratic Party and organized labor played along to, literally, both piggyback on its popularity while confusing the OWS public message (and, indirectly diffusing the organization of the group), too.

      3.) The MSM, and now even many areas in the blogosphere, are light years more "captured" than our nation's mass communication infrastructure has ever been. The sheer level of paid, status-quo-sponsored "participants" in social media is far more significant than most will acknowledge. (I state this as someone who's worked in media and media technology my entire life, both online and off.)

      4.) There were flaws in how OWS was structured--and those "flaws" were both an exploited weakness and an organizing strength--in terms of somewhat enabling "1" and "2," above.

      Summing it all up, the obstacles to the success of traditional, leftwing protest (rightwing protest is not dealt with in anything close to the manner that leftwing protest is handled, nowadays) are far greater than most on the left--and even within the status quo--will publicly acknowledge. (Frankly, one need look no further than this community for evidence of much of what I'm discussing above--from the captured state of our own Party, and all of the other hurdles I'm discussing here.)

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 09:47:56 AM PDT

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      •  The antidote for mass-protest was long ago (3+ / 0-)
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        worked out. In OWS, TPTB were a little delayed in implementing it, but it boils down to four things:

        1 mass-reach media ignore-ance; falsification; dismissal

        2 agents provocateurs and useful idiots (see last element of "1")

        3 flying squads

        4 leadership takedown

        The protest that will work is to get millions of people to NOT mass. Instead, be ubiquitous. That means individuals going around in their neighborhoods, work areas, public transportation, wherever they happen to be in the normal course of life, with signs and pamphlets encouraging other people to do the same. (Those few who can afford the cost and commitment and risk of going to a "mass protest" can do so if they want, at the same time.)

        All four traditional tools to suppress protest become immediately obviated; the message reaches everyone, even people who wouldn't normally seek out such type info.


        Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest. route to More Democrats

        by Jim P on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 11:28:03 AM PDT

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      •  Nothing has changed (2+ / 0-)
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        You could lift almost everyone of your argument to describe why the labor movement would never succeed in America.

        1) the police would shoot down the protestors/strikers by the dozens, and beat them as a matter of principle.

        2) The Democratic Party and AFL would undermine the strikers.

        3) the MSM would be against them, including lying.

        4) the labor movement's structure would be imperfect, divided, flawed.

          Nothing has changed. Nothing at all. Except that the generations before us were more willing to fight for their rights.

        “Wall Street had been doing business with pieces of paper; and now someone asked for a dollar, and it was discovered that the dollar had been mislaid.” ― Upton Sinclair

        by gjohnsit on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 11:59:06 AM PDT

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        •  I disagree on two significant matters: oppression (0+ / 0-)

          ...and mass media. The level, intensity and institutionalization of selective political oppression in this country is far greater now than it's been in a very long time; and, the media (mass communications, in general) has devolved to the point where the fourth estate is much more focused upon aiding and abetting that oppression, as well. Perfect case(s) in point: compare the Daniel Ellsberg case to any one of a large handful of stories from the past couple of years. Better yet, just send fellow Kossack Jesselyn Radack a Kosmail asking what her sentiments are on this issue; or, have a little chat in the comments with OPOL with regard to what he thinks about this issue, and ask him to cite Don Siegelman's situation and how the pertains to what I'm writing now. And, then of course, there's the extreme rightwing turn of our Supreme Court...

          "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

          by bobswern on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 12:37:49 PM PDT

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            I grant that there was more diversity in the media in those days than today. Plus, I'll grant that the propaganda skills are much more well honed these days.

             But seriously, they were literally shooting down strikers by the dozens. Kangaroo courts were common. The corruption of the Gilded Age was no greater than today.
               I grant that the oppression is probably more organized today than in those days, but the brutality levels were at least as great, if not greater, back then.

              As for the Supreme Court, it was an extreme right-wing court back then as well. Remember that it justified slavery, made almost every strike illegal, and made corporations people.

            “Wall Street had been doing business with pieces of paper; and now someone asked for a dollar, and it was discovered that the dollar had been mislaid.” ― Upton Sinclair

            by gjohnsit on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 01:24:26 PM PDT

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            •  Well, one out of two.... (1+ / 0-)
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              I stated:"institutionalization of selective political oppression." Back then, the oppression wasn't really all that "institutionalized." Labor Laws were more akin to the wild West, in many ways, and that's why they evolved towards the end of that period. Don't know my Supreme Court history as well as I should. And, that's pretty shameful, since I majored in 20th Century American Studies in college (cross-discipline: history, poli-sci, literature).

              "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

              by bobswern on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 05:11:48 PM PDT

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