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  •  At what point will the renewables can't be (1+ / 0-)
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    relied upon be acknowledged as a lie?

    How often does it have to be proven a lie by the reality of those who are actually doing it?

    Does Portugal running on 70% renewable in the first quarter mean nothing?

    Does the University of Delaware study mean nothing?

    Does Germany's success mean nothing?

    I could go on and on but to some people reality means nothing.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 05:05:04 PM PDT

    •  Get real (1+ / 0-)
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      University studies do in fact mean nothing.   We have had millions of soothsaying "studies" about what renewables could do, and as of 2013, for anyone who looks at something called data. will recognize that despite 50 years of soothsaying and wishful thinking about so called "renewable energy," the atmosphere is collapsing at the fastest rate ever observed.

      Germany is a failure, it's dangerous fossil fuel waste dumping to produce electricity has increased, not decreased.   Importing Polish coal based electricity and provoking the unsustainable mining practices in China's lanthanide fields to produce piddling amounts of energy is nothing more than a shell game played by people in denial.

      Since nuclear energy saves lives, in the millions, according to the famous climate scientist Jim Hansen, writing in the primary scientific literature, it is very clear that the delusionally defined "German success" is actually a scheme to kill people.

      We have wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of euros, trillions of yen and yuan to produce so called "renewable energy" and what do we have to show for it?

      Humanity uses 520 exajoules of energy each year, and humanity and the solar and wind industries, these gas dependent fig leafs, can't even produce three of them.

      In fact, it appears that up until 2010, the entire solar industry on the entire planet was a net energy consumer, according to this paper in the primary scientific literature, Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (7), pp 3482–3489, the solar industry until very recently was a net energy consumer, making things worse, not better.   I quote from the text of the paper which is only available to subscribers and people not too lazy to go to a good scientific library to investigate something that's not popular with the fantasy based 'renewables will save us" squads who have helped to destroy this planet, "reality:"

      Our analysis found that the PV industry was a net electricity consumer as recently as 2010, and in 2008 the PV industry consumed 75% more electricity than it produced. Figure 7shows that deployment of most PV technologies was operating at a net electricity loss for most of the decade 2000−2010. As of 2010 − the latest year of historical data − the only technology producing a positive net electricity yield was ribbon silicon.
      The authors do note that there's a 50% probability that the expensive, toxic and meaningless solar industry will be producing net energy this decade, but since the solar industry has been unable to produce half an exajoule of electricity in any given year despite 50 years of cheering and the waste of a vast amount of resources on a planet where 2 billion people have never seen or operated a toilet bowl, it's clear that the entire industry is absurd.

      The renewable energy industry on this planet, save the hydroelectric industry - which is neither sustainable or likely to survive the effects of melting glaciers - can't even run the servers dedicated to saying how wonderful it is.

      If we'd taken that money wasted on the solar fantasy, and installed decent sanitation, and maybe funded some engineering students in the third world, we might be living on a sustainable planet.

      But we're not.   We're living on a planet - a rare planet - where the atmosphere is collapsing at such a rate that a mass extinction that is the equivalent of a major asteroid hitting the earth is taking place, in a geologic blink of an eye.

      Chanting the same bull over and over, year after year, decade after decade has killed the planet.   Congratulations.

      Heckuva job.

      You must be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very proud.

      •  "Nnadir is a mildly amusing cranky guy" (0+ / 0-)

        I'm afraid you've progressed well beyond cranky.

        Aside from the vile and invective nature of your posts, your thought process is flawed. On the day a solar panel is created the energy balance is entirely negative. Over the projected life of that panel it gets better. Over the projected life of the manufacturing facility the energy investment in the plant also gets better. The overwhelming majority of the installed solar base is of recent manufacture due to the early development stage and recent growth of the industry. Using your line of reasoning, no investment should ever be made unless there's an instant payback.

        You, and the authors you quote, have attached significance to the insignificant.

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 08:30:34 AM PDT

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        •  Why don't you submit a refutation to... (0+ / 0-)

          Environmental Science and Technology telling them that the authors of the paper are "full of shit."

          for your affiliation, you can put, "University of Wishful Thinking Dumb Guys."

          It won't make a shred of difference, by the way, the paper will not be published, because, um, generally Environmental Science and Technology is a scientific journal, not a dumb guy soapbox.

          The fucking useless solar industry is fucking 60 years old, and all it has done is to give wishful thinking dumb guys a chance to burn gas, oil and coal to make insipid comments about what is and what is not significant.

          The solar industry, which has sucked 100's of billions of dollars, euros, yen and yuan out of the world economy - where billions live in dire poverty - has never, not once, produced half an exajoule of energy in a year on a planet where humanity consumes 520 exajoules.

          The Earth's atmosphere, meanwhile, is degrading at the highest rate ever.

          Don''t try to pretend that you have ever had a useful thought in your life.   You haven't.

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