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  •  It stuns me to see the bedrock values (8+ / 0-)

    that some are willing to trade-off in the name of what I don't know.  Some things are not and can not be negotiable.  They either matter----or they don't.  And saying the rule of law doesn't always matter is really bizarre, because if it doesn't matter, then what does?!  Following the law is optional?!  Who gets to decide when a following any law is optional?  Jesus.

    "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

    by 3goldens on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 03:52:05 PM PDT

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    •  3Goldens, no one, certainly me is trading off any (0+ / 0-)

      bedrock values here.  I am not saying that they do not matter.  They do.  

      What we are dealing with here is reality.  There are, whether we like it or not three branches of government, all with their separate, but equal ability to govern this United States of America.

      For Obama to have pursued criminal prosecution of the Bush administration  would have opened the door to questioning whether any Executive/President, could question, or second guess the actions of another President.  Like it or not, Ford pardoned Nixon.  I dare say that had it been a Democrat doing the pardoning, the result would have been the same.  Presidents are going to be forgiven their mistakes.

      Great leeway is given to Presidents to make these decisions.  Only a fool would have attempted to prosecute Bush, and Obama is no fool.

      In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

      by Sixty Something on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 06:23:16 PM PDT

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      •  Right now it's reality. (3+ / 0-)
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        as I type this, it's reality that those people haven't been prosecuted.

        What we are dealing with here is reality.  
        That's about all that sentence has going for it, though...

        "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

        by lunachickie on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 06:56:38 PM PDT

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      •  I can't accept what you are trying to excuse. (6+ / 0-)

        Have you read Jane Mayer's The Dark Side?  Have you read Neil Barofsky's Bailout?  These are just two of the documentations of the acts of individuals within the Bush administration that were reprehensible and inexcusable.  Some actions are so egregious that they must be investigated formally and, if provable, prosecuted.  Further, to trivialize the deaths of American military men and women, as well as the unknown numbers of Iraqi and Afghanistan non-military human beings, as "Presidents are going to be forgiven their mistakes" confounds me.  If you believe that David Addington, John Yoo, and the other members of the Bush administration were simply making "mistakes", I have to believe you really don't grasp the magnitude of what that administration did.  

        "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

        by 3goldens on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 06:59:49 PM PDT

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      •  When waging a War of Aggression, and torturing ... (3+ / 0-)
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        ... captives -- TORTURE, for Chissakes -- can be viewed as "mistakes", there is no possibility of morality.

        In the time Bush took to make mistakes, a hundred thousand people went to their graves, many of them tortured and maimed.  What if ...

        Vote rape. Vote torture. Vote War Crimes. Vote with the American top 1%.

        by Yellow Canary on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 09:58:51 PM PDT

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