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  •  He didn't want to end the war (2+ / 0-)
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    The Iraqis wouldn't give in to the insistence that they immunize U.S. forces for any crimes they might commit.

    •  Do you have any actual facts to back up your (4+ / 0-)
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      statement?

      He didn't want to end the war
      Please provide actual facts, something that is so rare here anymore, showing that POB didn't want to end the war.

      It's your victories that give you your confidence but it's your setbacks that give you your character. -Van Jones

      by Oke on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 05:48:58 PM PDT

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      •  Here are the facts (3+ / 0-)
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        This is a pretty good summary.  Apparently they were considering keeping 2-3000 troops there at one point, much less than the 43,000 there at the beginning of 2011.  But the Iraqis didn't agree.

        But this is a far cry from the certain commenters who say "he didn't want to end the war" as if he were Hundred Years McCain or something.  Hell, people here attack the administration for keeping contractors there for diplomatic purposes and security.

        •  Yes, it is a far cry from "he didn't want to end (3+ / 0-)
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          the war"

          Especially this part:

          Obama campaigned on ending the war in Iraq but had instead spent the past few months trying to extend it. A 2008 security deal between Washington and Baghdad called for all American forces to leave Iraq by the end of the year, but the White House -- anxious about growing Iranian influence and Iraq’s continuing political and security challenges -- publicly and privately tried to sell the Iraqis on a troop extension. As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year.
          40K  troops less. There may have been other classified information that prompted the desire to leave some troops behind.

          Although F news has made me dislike the phrase "fair and balanced," I will use it here to say it is nice to see a comment that provides a link, mature discussion and a fair and balanced view of both sides of the issue.

          It's your victories that give you your confidence but it's your setbacks that give you your character. -Van Jones

          by Oke on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 08:55:48 PM PDT

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        •  Continuing the war with 3000 troops? (2+ / 0-)
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          Now, when you say "war", you mean what?   Not the same type of thing that was going on with 140,000 troops.

          That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

          by Inland on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 07:18:53 AM PDT

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            •  There's nothing "exactly" about it (0+ / 0-)

              Nobody knows what you mean by "war".  I'm trying to think of something that can be done by three thousand troops and it's not "war" as people use the word.  

              But I guess nobody is going to earn points down at the Kaffeehaus by saying "Obama wanted to train Iraqi troops" or "Obama wanted to maintain security for civilians."

              That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

              by Inland on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 07:39:32 AM PDT

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              •  I'm confused. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm not the one who said "Obama didn't want to end the war."  I'm saying that the reality is different from the picture some folks want to paint of Obama being no different from Hundred Years McCain.  I agree with you.  Even if the deal had gone through, a 95% troop withdrawal is not a whole lot different than a 100% withdrawal, and as we've seen, some folks here are upset that we have diplomatic resources and security in Iraq even though there are no troops left.

    •  Yes he did want to end the war. (2+ / 0-)
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      He was among the first to oppose it. He ran on ending it. He ended it. He could have stayed over Iraqi objections. McCain wanted to and would have. Obama didn't.

      I hate to break it to you, but Obama did a good thing. He ended the war in Iraq because he wanted to.

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