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  •  About those guns specifically for children. (7+ / 0-)

    I posted the following in another diary and didn't get a single response (I hope it's okay to repeat myself here, it's a little long). Maybe it's just one of those ideas I get sometimes, that sounds okay in my head, but isn't workable. At all.
    I don't know:
    There are very explicit laws, with stiff penalties, for childrens' toys that contain lead. We strictly control the manufacture, sale or import of toys for children under 12 years of age. But guns designed specifically for kids? Can't restrict that, apparently. But they would have to handle bullets, right? That is, the weapons designed specifically for children could not in any reasonable way be said to be able to avoid children handling lead. I'm talking about children, even under supervision, handling lead bullets, loading a weapon, spending all afternoon at the range, etc.
    Here's what the lead law says:

    US Consumer Product Safety Commission
        Lead Content Limits

        The limits on the amount of lead in children's products are phased in over the course of three years. By February 10, 2009, products designed or intended primarily for children 12 and younger may not contain more than 600 ppm of lead. Children's products that contain more lead than 600 ppm are banned in the U.S. after February 10, 2009, and the sale of those products can result in significant civil and criminal liability. The statute provides that paint, coatings or electroplating may not be considered a barrier that would make the lead content of a product inaccessible to a child. After 1 year from enactment, or August 14, 2009, products designed or intended primarily for children 12 and younger cannot contain more than 300 ppm of lead. The limit goes down to 100 ppm after three years, or August 14, 2011, unless the Commission determines that it is not technologically feasible to have this lower limit.

    A bizarre legal approach? Yes, I know. But perhaps there's a lawyer outraged enough at guns specifically designed for children to look into using this angle to get these weapons out of the hands of children.
    •  Not bizarre at all (4+ / 0-)
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      The biggest risk for lead poisoning from children using or being around firarms probably comes from ingestion/inhalation, and might be a risk similar to second hand smoke.

      It's a research study that is begging to be done: measurements of lead levels in children mapped with relative firearm exposure.


      Background - No known firearms exposure - matched by age, socioeconomic status and type of dwelling. (Test results at t = 0, compared with test results at later time points.)

      Level 1 - Lives in a home with someone who shoots firearms/cleans the firearms elsewhere one day per month.

      Level 2 - ... one day per week.

      Level 3 - ... 2 days per week.


      Up to shoots firearms, (number of bullets) once a week,


      Follow-up time points could test for lead quarterly for a few years.

      I'll bet there is already lead exposure just from having a parent that goes to the range once or twice a month. Unless the shooter takes pretty serious preventative measures the cars and laundry are probably all contaminated with lead.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat May 04, 2013 at 04:48:30 PM PDT

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      •  Lead exposure has come up (2+ / 0-)
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        on some lactation lists I'm on.  Is it safe for a breastfeeding mother to be a cop?  A soldier?  Women in these fields are exposed to lead from firing guns.

        This definitely bears looking into.

        •  Yes, in my opinion it could still be safe (0+ / 0-)

          As long as precautions are taken to avoid inhalation and ingestion when she is at the shooting range.


          1. Mask that filters vaporized lead.
          2. Scrub with special soap at the range after cleaning the weapon.
          3. Changes clothing at the range.
          4. Launders range clothes separately (perhaps hire a uniform laundry service).

          That would avoid most of the exposure from hands, clothing, into the personal vehicle and tracking it home.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:36:51 PM PDT

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        •  My sister went to (1+ / 0-)
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          a la leche league info night.  The discussion kicked off with everybody saying why they wanted to breast feed.  Sis said she wanted to do it because it's portable and the kid gets antibodies and the like.  Several of the more militant breast feeders said they planned to do it (or were doing it) because it was "God's will".  Hard to imagine the Lord wanting lead in the blessed leche.

      •  I wish I was better at this. (2+ / 0-)
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        jan4insight, LilithGardener

        What you described sure sounds like it would prove what exposure to lead toxicity a child endures firing a weapon.
        And, looking at the US Consumer Product Safety Commission Lead Content Limits, I have to believe they already have done in-depth research in order to come up with the ppm limitations shown in the law.
        Is it possible to hope an attorney could use this approach to get weapons banned which are designed specifically for children?

    •  Actually, that's not bizarre at all! (2+ / 0-)
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      I like it!

      Here in California we have Prop 65 for lead. I'm going to see if ammo is covered...

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