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  •  Berets suck! The only uniform they should be (3+ / 0-)

    worn with is the Class A. It's stupid to wear a beret with the BDU, ACU, Cammies, whatever. It's not practical.

    However, the beret looks much better with the Class A than the other caps that like canoes or something.  I always thought they looked stupid.

    Also, in every other military but ours, black berets are for tankers. The tan berets are much better for the Rangers, they got the color from the British SAS, much cooler than tankers.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 10:17:25 AM PDT

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    •  You, ranger995, have never met the USAF (4+ / 0-)

      enlisted Female Beret acerca de 1976-80. Talk about a hat that sucks.
      But there are earned berets -- the Rangers come to mind, and so do the PJs.  

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 10:43:40 AM PDT

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      •  Yes the Green Beret is earned as well, or at least (2+ / 0-)
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        it has been since the 1990s. Ever since some nasty pictures of overweight support personnel wearing the Green Berets were widely published to mock the Special Forces.

        My comment is just that the Beret in general is a pain in the ass to wear with the regular duty uniform---you have to constantly worry about how it looks and all. People are crazy about the way berets are worn. It has to be shaved and formed perfectly, or you will be doing push-ups and such.

        In any case, the beret and jump boots do look much better with the Class A's than the dress shoes and canoe hat. So, I am happy it was added to that uniform.

        FYI-- I never liked the SP blue beret, or any of the Air Force uniforms. Sorry. The PJs wear maroon berets I thought.

        "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

        by ranger995 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 12:59:08 PM PDT

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        •  The PJs earn their berets (1+ / 0-)
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          That Others May Live.
          I would call that color crimson.

           I remember watching them, when I was on Lackland, going everywhere double-time and carrying a telephone pole per squad everywhere they went. I grudge those gentlebeings nothing of their reputation.

          I find the new "warrior first" mindset to be, not to put too fine a point on it, self-serving bullshit, every time I hear it from a women's basketball coach or from a supply pogue.  Professionalism has a point -- and a set of undress blues, or greens if you prefer, with a garrison cap or a billed hat never hurt a soul. Of course, these days, no uniform is issue, and everything is charge-back against your pay if you're enlisted; you must also pay a tailor if you're an officer.

          So much is now so wrong. I blame the people who took over after Gen. Schwarzkopf retired -- they had not been to war, as he had, around the world away from home. Had we had good leaders in the services, Abu Ghraib never would have happened; but when you put romeo-charlie-foxtrot "agent" wannabes in command, what befalls you is your own damn fault.

          The SPs/LEs had blue -- or more properly dark navy, which might as well have been black -- berets in my day, but they weren't bent / shaved / starched in that L-shape you see everywhere now, regardless of branch or specialty. They were worn flat, or canted just off flat, and snug; you still could get a decent shade for your eyes if you held your head correctly, working at the entry-gate.

          I am blessed never to have needed one of those. I wore fatigues, and ballcaps, with honest pride. I shined my boots myself, too.

          And the hat I am talking about has vanished from the face of the earth. It was no beret at all, but something of a cloche, and wearing it was the biggest PITA you can possibly imagine. I shall tell you honestly, it sucked worse than having to wear pantyhose and a wool skirt, on Lackland in August.

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 08:19:20 PM PDT

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