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  •  you miss the whole point . . . (10+ / 0-)
    it's a shame that nobody seems bright enough to come up with one that puts choice in the hands of workers, or at least balances out the difference.
    Employers want control. The LAST thing they want is worker "choice" or "balance".

    You're a libertarian, aren't you?--I thought you not only knew that but were HAPPY with it. Don't employers own employees for the time they're hired? Do employers give their machine equipment, or a lump of raw material that they paid for, a "choice" or "balance"? Why would their bought-and-paid-for employees be any different?

    •  I'm a libertarian just like you. (0+ / 0-)

      Here's what I find funny:

      You moan that employers don't want worker choice or balance.

      Fine.

      But -- What I see here are supposed friends of workers who are opposed to choice or balance.

      Anything for the workers so long as they don't want anything beyond what you think they should want.

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      by dinotrac on Sun May 05, 2013 at 07:30:55 PM PDT

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      •  um, I'm not a libertarian (6+ / 0-)

        I'm a socialist.

        I do not want "balance".  I want worker control.

      •  So you think this bill is worker friendly? (0+ / 0-)

        If not, then what are you complaining about?

        •  Where or where did I say that bill was worker (0+ / 0-)

          friendly?

          Answer:

          No where.

          In fact, although I could be wrong -- it sure as hell wouldn't be a first -- I don't believe I directly referenced the bill anywhere.

          What I think I said is that it's sad that nobody can figure out how to do comp time in a way that isn't abusive.  Beyond having now doubt, I know for a fact that many workers would welcome more time for their familes, at least on occasion.

          It's sad that we can't figure out something that works for those who just want the hours and the money and for those who would like to have some time for the kids.

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          by dinotrac on Sun May 05, 2013 at 07:37:19 PM PDT

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          •  Okay (1+ / 0-)
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            What I see is people here opposing this particular bill and then you are accusing them of opposing worker's freedom.  I don't see anyone here railing against doing "comp time in a way that isn't abusive" so I don't get what's got you so upset.

            I have an agreement with my boss to take compensatory time instead of overtime so I'm one of those people who'd prefer the time over the money.

            •  Not exactly, but...people tend to get focused on (0+ / 0-)

              one thing and read in that light.

              If you'll follow the thread, others started hurling nastiness my way.  

              Lenny, for example, got upset at this:

              it's a shame that nobody seems bright enough to come up with one that puts choice in the hands of workers, or at least balances out the difference.
              I don't think anything in that sentence says I think the bill is good.  

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              by dinotrac on Sun May 05, 2013 at 08:05:57 PM PDT

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              •  no, dino, the part I got upset about was this: (1+ / 0-)
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                Employers want control. The LAST thing they want is worker "choice" or "balance".
                You're a libertarian, aren't you?--I thought you not only knew that but were HAPPY with it. Don't employers own employees for the time they're hired? Do employers give their machine equipment, or a lump of raw material that they paid for, a "choice" or "balance"? Why would their bought-and-paid-for employees be any different?
                Sorry my point---that we can't have "balance" because the owners don't WANT balance, they want CONTROL, and you libertarians LIKE that--went right by you as you were pretending not to be a libertarian this week.
      •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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        That's a big change form last week when you were an " unapologetic conservative".

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        by nosleep4u on Sun May 05, 2013 at 07:50:48 PM PDT

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        •  E-n-g-l-i-s-h. It matters. (0+ / 0-)

          Just like progressive does not equal communist (or, at least, I do not believe that it doesn't), conservative does not equal libertarian.

          Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but I like to give people credit for being at least a little bit smarter than that.

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          by dinotrac on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:56:15 AM PDT

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