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View Diary: More reasons against Tar Sands and Keystone XL: Refinery explosion in Detroit (10 comments)

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  •  That's not a reason (7+ / 0-)

    You can make it a reason against refineries but not tar sands bitumen unless you demonstrate there's a link between what they're refining and the incident. Linking it to Keystone XL is even more absurd since the refinery in question has nothing to do with the proposed pipeline.

    Otherwise all you've done is try and make an complete non sequitor argument.

    There's lots of reasons to be opposed to tar sands and related industries, I just wish people would use them instead of trying to rope in every single thing that could be remotely (and usually very thinly) linked.

    •  It's a case against fossil fuel dependency (2+ / 0-)
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      GreyHawk, RunawayRose

      Obviously.  Not a non-sequitor at all.

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      •  Come on... (1+ / 0-)
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        GreyHawk

        We'll need refined petroleum products for many years to come.  Even a all-electric Nissan Leaf uses petroleum and petrochemical products.

        Refinery safety is vitally important.  

        Keystone XL would be a huge mistake.

        Make each argument on its own merits.

    •  The explosion was extinguished before (1+ / 0-)
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      GreyHawk

      the diary was posted, according to the article that is linked to inside the block quotes:

      UPDATE 8:37 PM: Melvindale police have issued the 'all clear' signal to residents, allowing them to return to their homes, CBS Detroit reports. A spokesman for Marathon Petroleum also told reporters that no injuries resulted from the incident.
      I have to agree, let's keep the focus on the real problems that are associated with KXL. Saying "ideally someone else will chime in with a more complete diary & Keystone XL slam" only discredits the anti-KXL movement in the eyes of its critics. Until more is known about this incident, it's an unfortunate accident that was quickly contained. Conflating it with KXL is inviting conspiracy theories.
      •  I disagree, partly because of (1+ / 0-)
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        RunawayRose

        the information I don't have yet: I don't know what caused it, or anything else surrounding it (at least, didn't at the time of posting, and just got back so haven't read anything else yet), so it's something that could demonstrate not only that potential tar sands refinement itself could be an issue, but also any potential gearing up to be part of the KXL might push some refineries to exceed any existing safe operating regs.

        Once the info is in, maybe it would be worth ignoring - maybe it'll make a stronger case, maybe not.

        But it really didn't seem to be getting any coverage at all. Might be 'cuz it has no relevance. Might just be a fluke and highly relevant.

        I want to find out.

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