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  •  When you are digging a hole for yourself: STOP! (3+ / 0-)
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    The present firearms control debate is putting HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of new AR-15 type weapons, semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and hi-cap magazines on the street, and millions of rounds ammunition--and it will NEVER result in signed legislation. (The House will not consider anything pertaining to gun control even IF it makes it out of the Senate.) Stag Arms has a 70,000 AR-15 rifle backlog of sales right now, and every AR-15 manufacturer in the country has a back-order of at least a year. Weapons and ammunition factories are working triple shifts and they cannot keep up with demand.

    The reality of the situation: The Assault Weapons Ban is dead in the Senate. The magazine restriction provision is dead in the Senate. The Universal Background Check w/ record keeping provision is also dead in the Senate. All three are DOA in the House. Even if some form of Democratic-sponsored gun control legislation makes it out of the Senate, the House will not even consider it, everything even pertaining to gun control is dead in the House. But hundreds of thousands of new assault weapons, semi-automatic rifles, semi-auto pistols, and millions of round of ammunition will be put into circulation as a result of this "debate."

    There is a ZERO (0) chance of Democratic-sponsored gun control ever becoming federal law, but the backlash from this debate is dismantling the Democratic Party in every rural corner of the land. Continuing this debate will make rural Republican incumbents bullet-proof at home, (pun intended) but it will crush >> the few remaining << rural Democrats who are trying to retain their seats. We are literally killing the Democratic Party in rural America over proposals that have a ZERO (0) chance of ever becoming law, and the backlash will last for generations.

    In the future, we may be able to elect Presidents without rural America, but control of the House and the Senate will always require the rural vote, and the Democratic Party is on the fast-track to being the “City Party.” And if this debate keeps up, there is going to be another 1994-style, Democratic House disaster where we lost 52 seats.

    So I keep asking: what is the end game? I do not understand the wishful, magical, thinking that's going on here. What is the path to victory, because everyone seems intent on skipping down the trail to utter defeat--the Obama Administration, and the Democratic elite, WILL HAVE TRIPLED the number of assault weapons, semi-automatic rifles, semi-auto pistols, and high capacity magazines in circulation in this country and destroyed the rural Democratic party in the process.

    •  oh look...troll spam...yummy. (4+ / 0-)

      n/t.


      We are not broke, we are being robbed.

      by Glen The Plumber on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 08:44:49 AM PDT

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      •  I will ask the question again, Glen (0+ / 0-)

        If you know the answer, I want to read it.

        Given the above, what is the real-world end game in the present firearms control debate?

        •  here's an idea...instead of spamming the same (4+ / 0-)
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          comment in every diary...why don't you post it as a diary...then people can discuss it point by point...you've got a lot topics in one comment.


          We are not broke, we are being robbed.

          by Glen The Plumber on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 09:01:22 AM PDT

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        •  It's this - from the diary (4+ / 0-)
          Nonetheless, the vocal minority continues to cry “2nd Amendment” and flat out refuses to acknowledge what the Supreme Court said in Heller when they lob accusations against me and others that we disrespect the Bill of Rights as we push for common sense measures to reduce gun violence, such as the murders that took place in my town on 12/14, and the gun violence that occurs every day in big cities. The Heller decision provides the framework for a serious discussion.

          Fortunately, the majority of gun owners do not buy into the rhetoric and acknowledge that certain limitations on purchasing and possessing “arms” are constitutional.  This recognition should provide the basis for an intelligent conversation among Americans to achieve the common goal of protecting our children.

          In the real world, the majority of Americans are tired of the toll of gun violence; the extrajudicial killings, the mass murders, the murder suicides, the "ordinary" suicides.

          The majority are tired of losing their loved ones to gun and someone's antihero fantasy, or to a moment of poor judgment and momentary loss of impulse control.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 09:52:36 AM PDT

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    •  You should diary this (3+ / 0-)
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      and provide links to your sources.

      Then everyone who wants to discuss it with you can do so.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 09:36:36 AM PDT

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    •  It's going to take time (4+ / 0-)

      Rachel Maddow had an excellent segment about 6 weeks ago, with Rep Elizabeth Etsy (CT-04), in which Rep Etsy made a very cogent argument about why the massacre at Newtown has changed our national conversation on firearm policy.

      Rachel began the segment with our history of national gun violence trauma and what levels of national trauma prompt us to enact legislation, pointing out that JFK tried (unsuccessfully) when he was a Senator to pass gun safety legislation.

      She points out that JFK's assassination in '63 was not sufficient national trauma to bring about gun reform. It took two more high profile assassinations (Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr.) and a number of years before any reform could be enacted.



      Beginning about 12 minutes in, Rep Esty (CT-04) makes a compelling comparison that just as the church bombings in Birmingham, AL, galvanized the nation to finally take action against racial violence, the slaughter in Newtown, CT will finally galvanize collective action against gun violence. It was the slaughter of children in a church, and now in a school, in places presumed to offer safe shelter from society's harms, that comprise our collective loss of innocence.

      If you haven't seen it, it really is worth a look. http://www.nbcnews.com/...

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 10:46:27 AM PDT

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