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  •  I do agree with your analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    Limbaugh, now 62, hit his stride in the 80's as a radio personality and humorist.  He was an entertainer who engaged listeners in much the same way as shock jock Morton Downey did.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    In 1984, Limbaugh returned to radio as a talk show host at KFBK in Sacramento, California, where he replaced Morton Downey, Jr.The repeal of the Fairness Doctrine—which had required that stations provide free air time for responses to any controversial opinions that were broadcast—by the FCC in 1987 meant stations could broadcast editorial commentary without having to present opposing views. Daniel Henninger wrote, in a Wall Street Journal editorial, "Ronald Reagan tore down this wall (the Fairness Doctrine) in 1987 ... and Rush Limbaugh was the first man to proclaim himself liberated from the East Germany of liberal media domination."
    Luntz (now 51), on the other hand, is a professional Word Smith whose first foray into politics was in the 90's working for Pat Buchanan.

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    IMO, Limbaugh created the faux conservative movement by giving permission to his listeners to be really nasty human beings.  

    Luntz, on the other hand, defines nasty human beings with words and ideas which allow GOPer voters and politicians to continue to be as assclownish as they want to be.

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 09:26:55 PM PDT

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    •  Good to know I'm not the only one old enough (1+ / 0-)
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      to remember Morton Downey. What an ugly man he was, and I knew that even when I occasionally watched him when I was in my teens, on one of the three channels that were available to us then, late at night. Didn't care much about politics at that time, just knew this guy was trouble.

      And I think you are spot on in that Limbaugh "gave his listeners permission to be nasty human beings." And I agree that Luntz does the same thing, but he does it behind a curtain of private power, and he does it with words and ideas he has largely escaped having to take credit for, unlike Limbaugh who has been happy to take credit for his deeds. Which btw, imo, is how Luntz is smarter than Limbaugh, and will ultimately last longer.

      Luntz sees himself as above Limbaugh, in intellect and power, that's clear from the comments he got caught making, and I don't think he's wrong in his estimate. Which again, makes Luntz much more threatening to our cause than Limbaugh.

      Particularly when you consider that as I said, everybody knows Limbaugh, and he's made the mistake of making a caricature of himself. Few know who Luntz is, as he wields more power with less consequences than Limbaugh.

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 09:49:47 PM PDT

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      •  Yep, I'm old enough ... (1+ / 0-)
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        Your take on Luntz is very enlightening to me.  From the first time I learned about him, I was alerted to his Word Smithery.  I have always been in love with words and I begrudge Luntz's easy ability to twist despicable actions and choices into admirable qualities.

        I often become speechless myself when I listen to GOPer politicians spout their lies and misinformation and wonder how anyone could possibly believe such drivel.

        I think that Luntz has always believed that his word games are magic and that he is the only person who could have created them.  He appears to forget that he has had many predecessors and that there have always been observant and intelligent people to pull the curtain back.  I'm thinking of Vance Packard who you might remember.

        I don't know if Luntz actually believed he could share "secret" info about Limbaugh, et al, and not be recorded/exposed.  I doubt that he cares if Limbaugh bashes him or not.  

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 10:18:41 PM PDT

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        •  The Hidden Persuaders - book (2+ / 0-)
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          I read that book by Vance Packard when I was in high school.  Maybe it's time to go back and re-read it.  At that time, advertising was more straightforward with announcer-read copy and without the vignettes that have nothing to do with the product.  One company would sponsor a radio show, e.g. Charley McCarthy and Edgar Bergen sponsored by Chase & Sanborn coffee and Lux Radio (later Video) Theater.

          Don't look back, something may be gaining on you. - L. "Satchel" Paige

          by arlene on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 05:43:49 AM PDT

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          •  I was also in high school when I (2+ / 0-)
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            read HP for the first time...this would have been in the early 60's.  It made a lasting impression on me.  Every time Luntz is mentioned, I am reminded of Hidden Persuaders.  

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            In The Hidden Persuaders, first published in 1957, Packard explores the use of consumer motivational research and other psychological techniques, including depth psychology and subliminal tactics, by advertisers to manipulate expectations and induce desire for products, particularly in the American postwar era. He identified eight "compelling needs" that advertisers promise products will fulfill. According to Packard these needs are so strong that people are compelled to buy products to satisfy them. The book also explores the manipulative techniques of promoting politicians to the electorate. The book questions the morality of using these techniques.
            Yes, it is definitely time to revisit Hidden Persuaders.  I don't believe we would find it dated at all.

            When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 06:47:42 AM PDT

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