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  •  I agree but I think the Dawks are a new (0+ / 0-)

    wrinkle

    Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

    by tikkun on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 01:32:32 PM PDT

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    •  The only thing (0+ / 0-)

      new about the "New" Atheists is their cultural prominence.

      There is nothing that Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, or Dennett (or Victor Stenger, Julia Sweeney, Greta Christina, P.Z. Myers....) has said about religion that wasn't previously stated decades, centuries, or millennia earlier by Socrates, Lucretius, Feuerbach, Nietzsche, Marx, Freud, Twain, Russell, Ingersoll, O'Hair, and the like. And the "New" Atheists themselves have consistently pointed that fact out.

      One consequence of an increased profile for atheist criticism of religion is that it's much harder for religious figures and organizations to hide from that criticism. They can (and have) attempted to shoot the messenger by pretending that the Gnus are barbarians who deserve to be disregarded, but it's demonstrably not working.

      So what's new about the Gnu Atheists is that religion is scared of them.

      •  What Is Different About Them (0+ / 0-)

        is their Calvanist methods.  I don't take it from Calviinists and I don't take it from Dawks.

        Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

        by tikkun on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:37:17 AM PDT

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        •  What exactly (0+ / 0-)

          are "Calvinist methods"? That sounds very much like a stand-in for "they do things I don't like, even if I don't have legitimate reasons to object to those things."

          You'll forgive me if I don't give the benefit of the doubt to vague complaints directed at members of despised and disempowered minorities for doing things that just so happen to bruise the unjust privilege of the overwhelmingly powerful hegemon.

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