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  •  I'm "hysterical"??? Really??? (4+ / 0-)
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    theatre goon, maxomai, PavePusher, CarlosJ

    You mistake my anger and contempt for your position as something else.

    Here's a few points you missed:

    http://fightcps.com/....

    Some highlights from her report:

        *That poor parents often times are targeted to lose their children because they do not have the where-with-all to hire lawyers and fight the system. Being poor does not mean you are not a good parent or that you do not love your child, or that your child should be removed and placed with strangers.

        *That caseworkers and social workers are oftentimes guilty of fraud. They withhold evidence. They fabricate evidence and they seek to terminate parental rights. However, when charges are made against them, the charges are ignored.

        *The funding continues as long as the child is out of the home. When a child in foster care is placed with a new family then "adoption bonus funds" are available. When a child is placed in a mental health facility and is on 16 drugs per day, like two children of a constituent of mine, more funds are involved.

    *The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect in 1998 reported that six times as many children died in foster care than in the general public and that once removed to official "safety", these children are far more likely to suffer abuse, including sexual molestation than in the general population.

        *That according to the California Little Hoover Commission Report in 2003, 30% to 70% of the children in California group homes do not belong there and should not have been removed from their homes.

    BTW, I do not own any firearms.  So, the Orwellian Doublespeak here:
    I am not trying to take your gun. I am trying to get you to KEEP your gun.
    has no effect upon me.  Read the highlights of Mrs. Schaefer's Report above please.

    The "failures" of CPS are world renowned, that's why the Russians banned Americans from adopting their children.

    ‘End to adoption question’: Russia shocked at another child’s death in US

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 06:35:34 AM PDT

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    •  You mistake my position as trying to take your (2+ / 0-)
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      gun. (by your, I mean guns in general) That is hysterical. We are talking gun regulation here.

      Not taking guns from the population.

      Now you want to morph the gun regulation talk into a talk about CPS effectiveness. That is another tactic in avoiding gun regulation. Dilute the discussion of gun regulation to the mental health problem or, in this case the CPS problem.

      Children should be safe from guns. An adult should be able to provide that safety. If not the children stand a good chance of dying or killing. See GunFail diaries.

      guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

      by 88kathy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 06:57:56 AM PDT

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      •  Had you not said this, I wouldn't have replied: (7+ / 0-)
        I think it is reasonable to expect guns be kept out of reach of children and if the children get them, the children should be removed from the immediate danger and not introduced back into that home until the home is completely gun safe.
        You are the one that is attempting to equate gun ownership to bad parenting.  

        How do you propose to enforce your "suggestions"?  Random, warrantless searches???

        Owning a gun is not "probable cause" to abrogate rights.

        See 4th Amendment:

        Amendment IV

        The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 07:20:43 AM PDT

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        •  If the children get them (1+ / 0-)
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          If the children get them
          If the children get them
          If the children get them
          If the children get them
          If the children get them

          I cannot stress that enough, clearly, I cannot stress that enough.

          Most simply, lets just say kid #1 shot kid #2. Then I would say the children should be removed from the home until the parents or guardians can demonstrate gun safety.

          You are going off about searches and gun ownership being infringed. WTF.

          I am saying if the kid gets the gun and shoots the gun or in any way shows the gun (for instance takes it to school), the children should be removed from the home until the parents or guardians demonstrate they can keep the children safe.

          guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

          by 88kathy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 07:29:55 AM PDT

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    •  PS if you read the Gun Fail diary you will quickly (1+ / 0-)
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      a2nite

      see that if the gun owner had properly KEPT his gun there would be no Gun Fail diary.

      Our Constitution was written by Orwell.

      The right to KEEP and bear arms.

      guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

      by 88kathy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 06:59:42 AM PDT

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