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  •  I think the word is fine -- (9+ / 0-)

    Putting the interests of corporations above all else is wrong, even if there are some good corporations.

    There are plenty of very nice white people, but it is not right to be a white supremacist.

    •  Yes! (4+ / 0-)
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      Corporatist doesn't just mean that you're a corporation, it means that you are fine with corporations dominating real people.
      In the early days of corporations, they were regulated. They were chartered for a specific purpose, and were not allowed to engage in business outside that purpose. For example, they could not be essentially just financial instruments, they had to have an actual core purpose that was useful to the community and stick to that purpose.

      I'm not sure I think the word is the best we can do, but I agree that it is ok for now. Someone (I think maybe The Troubadour???  but I really can't remember. I have to be in a hurry right now, but I'll try to get time tonight to go back and look.) suggested in a diary on political language several months ago that the best substitutes for corporatist and corporatism are corrupt and corruption, and I do think there is somethig to be said for that idea, even though it wouldn't work in all circumstances.

      The trouble with fascist is that people you're trying to persuade  quit listening if you use it. Getting it back into normal vocabulary could be a good thing.

      As an interesting sidenote: there's a real 1984 flavor about the word corporation, since corporations are actually discorporate-- no real flesh, so no need for good air or water or food. Maybe we should start calling them discorporates some of the time?

      •  (later) can't find the diary re "corrupt" (0+ / 0-)

        I thought I remembered it from several months ago, but I guess it had to have been further back than that.
        The diarist was talking about some linguistics research that suggested that people process two-syllable words much more readily than longer ones, and that political phrases or arguments that rely on two-syllable words are more convincing to the average listener. In among other riffs on that piece of information, the diarist proposed corrupt as a good substitute for corporatist. (The research was for real, and, in lots of circumstances, corrupt may well be a better word as far as I can see.)
        I thought it would be easy to find again, but alas, I haven't been able to.
        I was very interested in the diary because I had worked on the (successful!) West Allis Move To Amend referendum campaign, and it was very tricky to find a good word for the concept of corporatist. We never did come up with an entirely satisfactory word.

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