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  •  Interesting point (12+ / 0-)

    I never really though about "sins" being classified as "choices" versus "physical attributes". And you're right the bigots and small-minded always seem to focus on the attribute sins likely as an easy fool-proof way to always feel superior and "good".
    Just sad when you think of it. Also enjoyed your play on the "hate the sin love the sinner" mantra you hear from so-called Christians. Is there a more condescending attitude?

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:20:54 AM PDT

    •  I always ask why hate what is not a sin? (4+ / 0-)

      I don't think sex between two people of the same sex is a sin any more that between two people of the opposite sex.

      Of course if you abide by sex between Adam and Eve being the original sin of all sins, I have to admit that you have me there.

      Why not say we are all sinners, and call it a day?

      In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

      by Sixty Something on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:01:36 PM PDT

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      •  Psychologically speaking (12+ / 0-)

        that does not provide the sense of moral superiority that comes with condemning specific sinners for specific sins. And that feeling of moral authority is partly what is at the root of truly authoritarian versions of Christianity (and other religions, as well).

        It's a symptom of the bastardized version of modern Christianity that's been born out of many fly-by-night mega-churches. People use Christianity in many ways as a personal ATM. What can THEY get out of it. How can God make THEM better? This leads to using Christianity in ways that make it less than useful.

        The only sort of Christianity that I have use for is the kind that follows Jesus's example of doing good for people, and in doing that good, improving one's self. This is at the heart of many of the world's religions, and it is as close as Christianity comes to truth. Because if you truly believe that there is a God and that Jesus was him in human form, then you have to believe that the example of Jesus is how people are supposed to live.

        "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

        by Grizzard on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:06:10 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with everything you said EXCEPT... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...for the fact that it isn't just a symptom of "the bastardized version of modern Christianity" - it's a fact of basic human nature.

          Off the top of my head, here's a quick list of examples:

          * Tobacco use ("I don't know how ANYONE could even START that habit.")
          * Indiscreet clothing ("I would never let my daughter dress that way...")
          * R- and X-rated films ("How can anyone ENJOY this?")
          * Public displays of affection ("I would never suck face like that in public.")
          * Tattoos/piercings ("I would NEVER do that to my body.")
          * Recreational drug use (insert criticism here)

          I've heard believers, agnostics, and committed atheists alike say all of the above (although most adults don't use the term "suck face"...)

          Now, religion often steps in and acts as a "force multipler", in that religious bodies tend to be groups of like-minded people--much like the community here--which leverage their numbers to boost their collective profile and amplify their collective voice.

          That desire to feel superior is human nature - nothing more.  Some seek it through knowledge (who didn't have a 'know-it-all' in their school?), others through physical feats or physical development, and still other through moral pronouncement.

          Now for the tough question - do you think that the folks here who so roundly criticize the bigotry of others feel that "sense of moral superiority that comes with condemning specific sinners for specific sins" to which you refer?

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:21:18 AM PDT

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      •  from South Pacific (3+ / 0-)
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        "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught," (Lyrics from South Pacific.)
        You've got to be taught to hate and fear,

        You've got to be taught from year to year,

        It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear,

        You've got to be carefully taught.

        You've got to be taught to be afraid

        Of people whose eyes are oddly made,

        And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,

        You've got to be carefully taught.

        You've got to be taught before it's too late,

        Before you are six or seven or eight,

        To hate all the people your relatives hate,

        You've got to be carefully taught!

        and to add a verse:

        You've got to be taught to hate THE GAY

        You've got to be taught they weren't made that way
        You've got to be taught you can pray it away

        You've got to be taught to hate.

        You've got to be taught to hate THE GAY
        cause they don' have sex in the USUAL way.
        Don't do as I do- just do as I say
        I'm not gay, I'm not gay, I'm not Gay.

        As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

        by BPARTR on Wed May 01, 2013 at 12:15:38 AM PDT

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    •  Good question! (1+ / 0-)
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      Is there a more condescending attitude?
      Why, yes, there is....at least, there's one of near-equal condescension:

      "I don't know how ANYONE sane could call themselves a Republican."

      "What kind of idiot votes for these people?"

      "Republican voters are just stupid."

      The ugly truth is that, even when religion isn't used as a justification, almost ALL of us have difficulty in exercising dissent without condescension.  It's a human thing.

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:53:51 AM PDT

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