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  •  I didn't read it that way. (4+ / 0-)
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    GreyHawk, WarrenS, stevej, orlbucfan

    First of all, the RW is not against government; it very much wants a strong government that serves the economic elite.  Increasingly the Dems also are embracing that end goal, and with what we are facing, it is likely to become genuinely an end goal.

    I took Gooserock's comment

    If this country is to address this issue successfully it must be done by some other means than its governing system.
    to mean some other means than the governing system we see currently operative.

    I'll be happy if this governing system surprises me, but I have little confidence yet that it will take the lead.  Even this meeting is hardly the lead; more like catch-up, maybe.

    •  The scale and scope of this problem is such (5+ / 0-)

      that only governments can hope to solve it. Well-meaning people acting on their own or in concert outside of government can't possibly hope to do this. It's simply too big, technologically, economically and legally. And the economic incentives are insufficient to prompt the private sector to do it on its own, in this era of hyper-financialization and the focus on short-term profits.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed May 01, 2013 at 05:09:12 AM PDT

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      •  It will take an emergency global consortium (2+ / 0-)
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        of governments.

        It would be nice to think that this could happen.

        'A scarlet tanager broke the silence with his song. She thought of the bird hidden in the leaves somewhere, unseen but nevertheless brilliant red. Nevertheless beautiful.' Barbara Kingsolver/ Prodigal Summer

        by flowerfarmer on Wed May 01, 2013 at 05:43:50 AM PDT

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      •  Problem is... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...this government is owned, lock, stock, and barrel, by the elements of that private sector that created and are encompassed by

        this era of hyper-financialization and the focus on short-term profits.
        Until that changes,....
        •  When climate change begins to hurt their profits (1+ / 0-)
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          is when we'll start to see significant efforts towards fixing this issue. Thing is, with our economy being so hyper-financialized these days, it's inevitable that long-term financial forecasts begin to factor in the negative effects of climate change on their profit models, leading to major swings in the financial markets, which could prompt companies to take action on this front out of fear of being financially destroyed. I can't quantify this but I suspect that this will happen, the only question being whether it'll be too late by then.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed May 01, 2013 at 07:19:30 AM PDT

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          •  or (0+ / 0-)

            will they work to find a way to continue to make profits within the changing environment?  Until the clearly destructive nature forces them to take notice.  Unfortunately, by that time it will be too late.

            •  There's only so much wealth one can extract (0+ / 0-)

              via exploitation and speculation, especially in a world of diminishing net value with all the destruction we're seeing and face. Sooner or later, the system will self-correct, albeit after much unnecessary physical and human damage occurs. The purpose of government is to correct things before that happens.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Wed May 01, 2013 at 11:10:22 AM PDT

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          •  It's already threatening some profits (1+ / 0-)
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            You know the insurance companies are intently interested in this, as well as many businesses that know they will face property losses.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Wed May 01, 2013 at 07:54:06 AM PDT

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            •  There are industries that simply cannot exist (1+ / 0-)
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              at least in a form we could recognize without insurance, such as transportation and real estate, and if insurers decide that they're too risky because of climate change, then those industries cease to exist. Of course this doesn't happen overnight, giving both insurers and industries time to adapt. But if they don't, they die. Not everyone in the business and financial worlds is focused only on short-term wealth extraction, and we look to them for leadership.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Wed May 01, 2013 at 11:08:06 AM PDT

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