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  •  Hate to be a downer (5+ / 0-)

    but...90% of the country wants gun background checks but due to the influence of a small lobby we can't get it through the Senate.

    Big coal/oil is a huge lobby.  There is no way this is going to be addressed adequately.

    The future is dim, IMHO.

    Republican tax policies have led to financial conditions which have caused Republicans to demand cuts to programs they have always opposed.

    by AppleP on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:29:03 PM PDT

    •  some people like to be downers it's in their (5+ / 0-)


      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:33:29 PM PDT

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      •  Sadly, I have to agree with Apple (3+ / 0-)

        We have effectively already hit 400 ppm, and the CO2 already in the pipeline is rather long lived and will continue to warm things handily for some time even if we did nothing more. Another 2C (at least) is an all but foregone conclusion from that alone.

        In addition, as you pointed out, the arctic ice is melting rapidly, which will free up a whole lot of methane, which will mess things up even faster. I am terrified that even if we stopped all anthropogenic forcings tomorrow, including the entire planet going meatless, the Arctic methane won't stay locked up much longer. There are perhaps 500 gigatons of methane frozen in the Arctic and perhaps 10% of that could go up anytime, multiplying by a factor of 10 the amount of methane currently in the atmosphere. If this happens I fear the current hockey stick, bad as it is, will grow exponentially.

        Not to mention the additional perhaps 400 gigatons of Antarctic methane, which will go too if Antarctica melts.

        You said

        This is it folks, in two years we could have ... runaway climate change.  At that point there will be nothing to do but be on the defensive of disaster.
        Sadly, as a card carrying member of The Reality Based Community™ I can't help but feel we are at that point already. This doesn't mean we shouldn't all do everything we can to stop this train wreck. We might buy some time in which somebody can figure out ... something? And if nothing else, I'd like to feel I did everything I could. But like Apple, I too feel the future is dim.
        •  O, it's no doubt we've sealed our own fate. (2+ / 0-)
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          native, Glen The Plumber

          But, what we can do is document everything for what comes after us. The time for shedding tears is way past, but we can be useful and helpful to the future. If there's any ounce of integrity out there, we need to do it. And we don't need to look around and wonder about the culprits. It is us.

          We don't need to try and justify the 10 billion other animals per year we slaughter, the fossil fuel consumption we can't live our standard of living without, etc., etc.  Just try to make the best of it now, and try to have some dignity.

          Of course if there's some brainiac out there with a bright idea to let cows eat grass like they're supposed to, or rotate crops instead of using poisons on them like we used to, or quit screwing around with the ovulation systems of cows and chickens, etc., to get milk and eggs, then what's the harm? Beats doing nothing, I'd say.

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