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  •  I'll say again: what's the drawback? (0+ / 0-)

    What's wrong with having this guy, who is listened to by millions of people worldwide for whatever stupid reason, say something that we actually agree with?  And what's wrong with acknowledging that when it happens?

    •  The Albigensian Crusades, (0+ / 0-)

      Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, etc. When people become accustomed to following a leader, they will follow said leader for good or ill equally. It is not behavior to be encouraged.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:11:16 AM PDT

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      •  ... look, people are _already_ following him. (0+ / 0-)

        The things you are talking about are arguably drawbacks of the setup wherein one guy is considered infallible when he's talking with his Pope Hat on, but that setup is not what we're talking about.  That setup already exists, and is going to continue to exist no matter who wears the Pope Hat or what he says while he's wearing it.

        What is the drawback of having the Pope advocate something good to the people who will listen to him no matter what he says?

        •  Re-read the comment to which you are (0+ / 0-)

          replying, then look up "positive reinforcement", then repeat.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:54:55 AM PDT

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          •  Do I understand you correctly to say (0+ / 0-)

            that you do not believe anything the Pope does or says should garner approval of any sort from us, regardless of what it may be?

            And that your reasoning for this is that our approval will constitute positive reinforcement and thus encourage the Pope-followers to continue following him?

            •  No, but close. His followers shouldn't have (0+ / 0-)

              following reinforced, and other things as well.

              He doesn't give a shit what we think and say, so the reinforcement issue is moot, but I won't applaud his ability to now and then do or say the right thing for irrational reasons, because I don't applaud that even where, as in his case, my actions will have no impact either way..

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Thu May 02, 2013 at 12:28:15 PM PDT

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              •  I'm afraid I can't follow your reasoning here. (0+ / 0-)

                I mean, I can understand not wanting to applaud a right answer that's given for the wrong reasons.

                But this still doesn't answer my question:  what is the drawback to us, or to the cause of aiding the needy, if the Pope speaks in favor of aiding the needy?

                I can understand a reaction of "whatever, who cares" or of "this doesn't make me like you any better" -- but not of "go away and stop agreeing with us."

                •  I don't recall saying that there was a drawback (0+ / 0-)

                  to us, can you quote me? I do think that it is sad and sorry that he has a following and that they will follow whatever idiotic precept he puts out there, bu tht is a bit of a different issue.

                  That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                  by enhydra lutris on Thu May 02, 2013 at 01:41:35 PM PDT

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                  •  Ah -- I may have misinterpreted you (1+ / 0-)
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                    as you said that in response to my original comment asking what the drawback is.

                    ... and responded to my later comment about "what's wrong with having this guy say something we agree with" with a list of terrible things the Church has done.

                    •  Not only the church, Rajneesh wasn't (0+ / 0-)

                      affiliated, it was examples of the kinds of stuff that following leaders can get you into.

                      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                      by enhydra lutris on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:50:30 PM PDT

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