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  •  More likely... (5+ / 0-)

    You missed the point.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:16:08 PM PDT

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    •  My take: Why give credence to an idiot argument? (2+ / 0-)
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      DeadHead, basquebob's exactly how Faux news operates. One lie (at least) for a premise and build down from there.  

      This is a discipline that forces opinion writers to prove that they're debating an idea somebody actually holds.
      ..then the diversion from facts begins and the real issues disappear - as planned

      That's part of my take anyway

      •  Interesting observation (1+ / 0-)
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        Good example of using an otherwise well-intended practice for less than noble purposes.

        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:44:23 PM PDT

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      •  Here is where the Faux folk fall apart: (1+ / 0-)
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        1. Be intellectually consistent. It’s fine — good, even — to change your mind. But you need to acknowledge it to yourself and publicly when you do so. Otherwise, you’ll end up tethering your ideological beliefs to questions that have nothing to do with them, and wind up, for instance, decrying recess appointments as the most vile abuse of presidential power since Mussolini until your own party controls the presidency, at which point you start calling for more recess appointments.

        A simple mental exercise to help with this is to reverse your argument whenever possible. Are you angry that the Senate filibustered a bill you like? You have to ask whether you dislike the filibuster, or just like that particular bill. If it’s the filibuster you dislike, you need to imagine yourself defending its abolition even if it means passing a bill you hate. And then you need to really do that.

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        Can you even imagine Hannity saying, well, "I hate what President Obama is doing with that power-grab thing, and here's a clip of me complaining when President Bush did the same thing" ??

        The poor producer would have a panic attack because, of course, no such clip exists.

        © grover

        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Wed May 01, 2013 at 11:34:55 PM PDT

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