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  •  Opaqueness is the entire point here (22+ / 0-)

    They want for us to NOT know what's actually going on while they blithely assure us that all is well.  Besides, if we ask too many unpleasant questions about what activities our taxes are paying for, we won't get health care reform passed.  

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:26:30 AM PDT

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    •  but since it's impossible to prove a negative (1+ / 0-)
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      then no matter how "transparent" something is, there will always be those alleging that something secret is going on, and there's no way to disprove it.

      For instance I know of some progressives websites where it is taken as a given that President Obama is secretly running a huge torture operation overseas.   And it's impossible to convince them otherwise.  

      Typical exchange at such sites:

      "Obama is torturing people at camps in Afghanistan."
      "No he isn't, here's a link to an article saying he closed those camps down."
      "Yeah, but what about the camps we don't know about?  Those are the ones he uses for torture.  And the proof is that he refuses to release the secret memos on those camps."
      The problem in the above exchange, of course, is that it's impossible to release memos on secret torture camps that don't exist, and therefore it's impossible to disprove the charge that secret torture camps exist.

      That is a general problem; no matter how much info is released, no matter how much transparency is implemented, the skeptics can always say, "That doesn't prove that nothing bad is happening in secret."

      •  Instead of the constant met (1+ / 0-)
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        How about some substance on the information filled diary?

        The meta is tiresome. We've heard all that before and it hasn't changed a thing. How about an honest debate on the critical topic at hand?

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Thu May 02, 2013 at 04:34:15 PM PDT

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