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    ... so people understand the sadistic, authoritarian, psychopathic mindset behind the Milgram experiment since I'm pretty sure we've all seen some kind of version of this enacted in movies:

    The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

    The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the question: "Was it that Eichmann and his accomplices in the Holocaust had mutual intent, in at least with regard to the goals of the Holocaust?" In other words, "Was there a mutual sense of morality among those involved?" Milgram's testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs. The experiments have been repeated many times, with consistent results within societies, but different percentages across the globe.[3] The experiments were also controversial, and considered by some scientists to be unethical and physically or psychologically abusive. Psychologist Diana Baumrind considered the experiment "harmful because it may cause permanent psychological damage and cause people to be less trusting in the future."[4] Such criticism motivated more thorough review boards and committee reviews for working with human subjects.

    More at link.  I highly recommend reading about the Milgram experiment to see how dangerous this kind of thing really is.  Repeated often enough with someone who was born without a conscience, lacking any ability to feel empathy, and it's a prime elementary exercise in how to become a stone cold torturer and killer.  It's "How to Torture 101."

    This is the same sadistic, authoritarian, psychopathic mindset behind sending our military out to shoot and kill common criminals (since the 19 criminals who hijacked four planes and killed close to 3k people were dead and there was no one to question or put on trial) and innocent people alike and call it a "global war on terrorism" and the death of innocents "collateral damage."  Doesn't that last term sound harmlessly sterile and surgical, like there's no mess at all involved with killing someone, blowing them to smithereens with bombs dropped from drones...?  It's all a big computer game to conscienceless bastards like Dumbya and Dickie and their sympathetic cohorts.

    This is the same sadistic, authoritarian, psychopathic mindset behind the pretzel logic involved with "torture isn't torture so we don't torture" - even as they do an advance Nuremberg Defense excuse for the persons actually doing the torture so they'll never be brought to court  - at least not here in the US - for torturing other human beings.  Sadly, the ex con law prof (now prez) is only the latest one who said the torturers would not be held accountable since "they were only following orders."  Somehow, I don't think he realizes just how crazy he sounds by excusing torturers and liars and war criminals..., and worse, continuing the Bushista policies, which makes him an accomplice at best, and a separate war criminal for pushing through and approving MCA '09 on top of retaining all the illegal and unconstitutional legislation passed when Dumbya and Dickie were residents of the Oval Office.

    See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
      -- George W. Bush [Dumbya], May, 2005, when attempting to promote privatizing Social Security
    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
     -- Joseph Goebbels
    The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
     -- Joseph Goebbels
    By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell -- and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed.
      -- Adolf Hitler
    fascism

    Remember this?

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:48:11 PM PDT

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