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  •  It was created by a prince (0+ / 0-)

    And spread by merchants. It's hard to think of a religion other than Confucianism that involved more privilege in it's creation. A rich prince denounces his lifestyle because he saw how poor people lived. Don't get me wrong, that's an impressive thing, but it comes from a place of privilege necessarily. And the specific privilege is based on the family. You literally can't renounce being a prince without renouncing being in your family. Being a prince means you hold a specific place in a specific family.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:09:30 PM PDT

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      I don't think that makes a lot of sense, but whatever.  I'd say that since Islam was spready largely by emperors and the catholic church is one of the richest and most powerful institutions in human history, there are perhaps some contenders.  After all, Muhammed was a merchant also, and Jesus a member of a royal house, apparently.

      Still, I'm not sure that any of this is super relevant.

      Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion

      by Mindful Nature on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:23:42 PM PDT

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      •  Well, we were talking about the creation (0+ / 0-)

        of the religion and being based on renunciation of privilege and I noted that it necessarily will come from a place of privilege if that's the case. This historical minutia isn't especially important to the point. Buddhism was started by a prince, it comes from a place of privilege and part of that is family. Renouncing privilege means renouncing family, as it meant with the Buddha.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:33:32 AM PDT

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        •  You don't have to be a monk to achieve (0+ / 0-)

          Nirvana, although the Buddha obviously felt that it helped.  If you're not a monk, you don't have to renounce your family; you just have to follow the precepts for laypeople (something many would-be teachers these days cannot or will not do, fwiw).

          Buddhism was founded by an ex-prince who had discarded princely privilege, and its popularity at first depended only on his persuasiveness and that of his followers, and only later on wealthy patronage.  I've never heard of the latter having had any connection to the Buddha's former princehood.  Is there a source saying otherwise?

          "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

          by dackmont on Fri May 03, 2013 at 06:28:48 PM PDT

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