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  •  He's certainly what I would call an (0+ / 0-)

    extremist in his views regarding Christianity and the military. In addition to his asinine quote you have supplied:

    "Our Pentagon has been turned into a Pentacostalgon, and our DOD has been turned into an imperialist, fascistic contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism by people that want to kill us – or have their version of Jesus kill us if we don’t accept their Biblical world view."

    I have nine family/close friends in the military, none of them has ever encountered anything at all like this- or even proselytizing at all. It appears that No ONE but Mr. Weinstein seems to have encountered such behavior. I simply see no basis in such over the top rhetoric.

    •  No, he's not an extremist (5+ / 0-)

      There are many reports of the kind of abuse that MRFF has been fighting against; including from current and recent actively serving military members.  This has been an ongoing concern for years, encountered by a significant number well before Weinstein got involved in this issue.  Why he has chosen to take the issue on in these terms, at this time, is what I am questioning.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:04:22 PM PDT

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      •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

        but I am not aware of any pervasive evidence or data that suggests anything other the stray overzealous person. Perhaps you can shed some light on it for me?

        And with his recent actions he has lost his credibility.

        •  I'll try to give you some links in a day or so (2+ / 0-)
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          As noted, I really didn't have time tonight to do this issue justice. The problem is not just a few stray persons, there is a planned and organized effort that is sizeable and pervasive. If you wan't to go digging on your own you could do some reading at Talk to Action, or the MRFF site iteself.

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:41:37 PM PDT

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        •  He has not lost any credibility (3+ / 0-)

             He is saying now in an aggressive way what he has been saying for years. This is one example of what he's been talking about. Also this and this.  
               The Air Force has been particularly affected by this proselytizing by senior officers, from the Academy (located in a particularly potent center of the Fundamentalist world, Colorado Springs,) to the operating bases. Weinstein endured it himself, as a secular Jew graduating from the Air Force Academy in 1977, but what he faced was trivial compared to what his two sons faced at the Academy in 2004. He founded the MRFF in response. His activities have resulted in a lot of lip service to religious equal rights, but little real change. What is different now is that the real possibility of court martial has finally been brought up for failure to follow regulations regarding religious freedom. Senior officers seem to finally be prepared to give the policy some teeth. The Fundamentalists are stirring up outrage among the faithful in response, using their usual hyperbole. They have been operating for years in an environment where they were the norm, and they were the only ones allowed to speak out, and everyone else, including tradional Protestants and Catholics as well as non-Christians, had to keep silent, and they're not prepared to give that up.
               Perhaps it has not been the experience of you and your friends & family, or perhaps it's simply so normalized that you don't recognize it. My limited experience is that of family members who were a part of it. My niece dropped out of Air Force OCS after a disqualifying knee injury, but married an officer who was an Aggie. They were deep into whatever megachurch was close to their current base for his whole career, and it was quite apparent that most of the chain of command was deeply involved in the same groups on most of their bases. It was obviously very good for the careers of young officers and their families to be fervent evangelicals.
               What the MRFF has been fighting, though, is the even more egregious effect both the subtle and overt coercion have on junior enlisted personel. The subtle is when the junior enlisted people have Sunday mornings off if they attend the chaplain's service, but have extra duty if they choose not to attend. The overt is when superior officers ask them if they understand that Catholics may think they're Christian, but really they're going to Hell with the Jews and Muslims.  

          -7.25, -6.26

          We are men of action; lies do not become us.

          by ER Doc on Fri May 03, 2013 at 04:30:21 AM PDT

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