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  •  It depends on your definition of "respect", (0+ / 0-)

    doesn't it?  For example, if I say to a religious person that I find Jesus's belief in damnation and hell immoral, some are able to discuss that or debate it, others shout "troll" and shut the door, even if the topic was people's opinions of what Jesus was trying to say, or the nature of Jesus, etc.  My comment would certainly be "on topic" and no personal insults (like boy are you stupid to like Jesus).  The problem is always what people expect in terms of "respect" for their religious opinions, and I find that far too often, the bar is set higher for those types of opinions, and, in my view, it shouldn't be.  

    Hard questions, holding out for evidence, application of reasoned thought, etc. are far too often viewed by believers as personal attacks.  That is another reason I avoid religious blogs.   It is always the atheist that has to tiptoe around and modify to avoid insulting someone, but the same standard is not applied to religious statements, even when they are quite insulting and/or arrogant.

    •  Unfortunately, That's Sometimes True (0+ / 0-)
      Hard questions, holding out for evidence, application of reasoned thought, etc. are far too often viewed by believers as personal attacks.
      However, I think the Street Prophets community differs from the general DKos community in having more respect for the beliefs of others. For example, within Street Prophets, Wiccan beliefs are not derided as being New Age Woo-Woo or "of the Devil" and attacked for merely being mentioned. Similarly, Native American beliefs as elucidated by Ojibwa do not receive adverse comments simply because they are foreign to most.

      I guess what I'm getting at is that respect involves restraint. I remember a string of comments on a particular diary that devolved into a shouting match over what a particular philosopher/theologian meant when he said something or other that one party was trying to use as a source for a position. You know, stuff like "You don't know what the *&$$#% you're talking about! Have you even read XYZ?" That was not religionist vs. atheist (or in Street Prophets), by the way.

      In the end, if someone is blatantly disrepectful, I would hope their comments would get HR'ed away, but that doesn't mean they have to be engaged by way of reply.

      "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything even remotely true." -- H. Simpson

      by midnight lurker on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:02:00 AM PDT

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