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  •  Good rant! (7+ / 0-)

    Remember, the sociopaths that run for office lie, and use every kind of propaganda, backed by other greedy rich sociopaths.

    In an environment like this, it's hard for me to place the largest blame on the voters.

    •  It's easy for me (22+ / 0-)

      You get what you pay/vote for. Stop voting based on skin color, religion and cultural and social background and made-up issues and prejudices and start voting on character, policy, facts and substance, and maybe you'll get better governance. The reason the US is so messed up is because it's a first-world power saddled with a huge third-world component, most of which can be traced to the old confederacy. We need a second Reconstruction. Or third, really, since the New Deal was the second. Kill the damn yee-hah already!

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 08:38:34 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. (7+ / 0-)

        I have long thought education is the only real answer.  

      •  Too bad our present power structure forbids it (9+ / 0-)

        Money is the great anodyne in this nation, and the more you have, the more you get. You buy the tax system, the bureaucratic system, the regulatory system, and the public marketing system that enables you to make even more money - which buys you an even better money-making - err, business environment.

        Any change to the way it is is attacked as "socialism" which destroys "individual responsibility and initiative."

        At the present time, you have one-third of the country that believes that they need as many guns as possible to fight against the government. To bear arms against the duly constituted and elected government is treason, but they  believe that they are fulfilling the "will of thew Founding Fathers." Educate them? They already believe they have learned the Truth, as promulgated by David Barton.

         How do you change the minds of the brainwashed? You don't. You use elections and governmental powers to defeat them repeatedly. If any try to rise up in armed rebellion, you use our system of laws to punish them. You keep them constitutionally caged, and thus impotent. You remove their ability to stop all majority-desired legislation by reforming the filibuster and rule-making systems.  You prepare for treason trials, if necessary. You break apart the present money-is-power system that crushes almost every citizen into wage slavery when young, and penury when old.

        Of course, when the Dems aren't willing to attempt that, you will have to get better Dems, or run Bernie Sanders as an Independent Presidential candidate. Then you can have your second, kinder Reconstruction, instead of another "War of Northern Aggression" against the New Confederacy.

        They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

        by Louise on Sun May 05, 2013 at 10:48:27 AM PDT

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    •  The Voters (10+ / 0-)

      When they look around them and see what happened, and when they ask their governments what can be done, and when they are told that nothing can be done, and still they keep voting for those same people, those voters must shoulder the blame for their own misfortune.

    •  It's the voters. Read this analysis (16+ / 0-)

      If this analysis is true, Freedom is more important than logical safety measures.  Somehow the RW hard-liners don't see a correlation to Freedom from being blown to smithereens.

      I would counsel Texas right-wingers not to get their panties in a wad. I went back and read the online comment section of a Dallas-Fort Worth TV station Website. Out of a total of 143 comments, I could find only 5 even mild rebukes of the state. One self-identified college student questioned why a “bomb-making plant would be within a few hundred yards of a daycare center, school and senior citizen’s complex. He was immediately called a moron for calling it a bomb-making center and told to get off his mom’s computer. Another contributor said “What a time in our history to have a boy president…” Most of those commenting called for prayer, but there was not a single mention of regulation review.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun May 05, 2013 at 09:35:02 AM PDT

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      •  We're being undermined by a culture (10+ / 0-)

        of macho stupid (and really, what other kind of macho is there?).

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 09:46:22 AM PDT

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        •  It's the Right Wing Brainwashing Machine! (7+ / 0-)

          When people hear right wing propaganda from American Media, they read nothing but right wing opinions from newspapers and magazines and they get right wing indoctrinations from churches every Sunday, this explains the comments that War on Error documented.

          People will continue to believe the right wing bullshit until right wing policies hurt them. The right wing churches pushing the pie in the sky bullshit will finally wake up when they're wiped out and the churches refuse to help them.

      •  Instinct or hormone-driven people do not (9+ / 0-)

        think. They respond to their gut instincts which they do not, however, identify as their own. It happens without notice, as if "something comes over them."
        If a person's brain does not cogitate, I don't think a person can be blamed for not thinking. Might as well blame a person for not being able to carry a tune or not being able to speak French.
        If thinking is a talent and some people don't have it, then insisting that they use what they don't have is a gigantic waste of time.

        How does it happen that large numbers of people can't think? I'd say malnutrition, including alcoholism, accounts for a lot. Pregnant women are counseled not to consume alcohol to extremes. But, what does binge drinking do to sperm?

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Sun May 05, 2013 at 10:48:50 AM PDT

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        •  Where to start here. (9+ / 0-)

          I always love your analytical comments, hannah.

          I do feel a need to debate these points, however, in two words:

          Cognitive dissonance

          Well four words

          Cognitive dissonance and willfull ingnorance, which is really an outpouring of cognitive dissonance.

          In retrospect, it is NO surprise that shortly after the end of Segregation in the 1960s,  the "Hate Libruls" mantra began it's now decades long spiel.  Sure, it was cloaked under the fears of communism/socialisim presented as pining to steal all freedoms from everyone.

          In reality, I see the willful ignorance of today as an outcome, a continuation of the hateful, gender/race bias of the evil slavery chapter enjoyed by too many for too long in the USA.

          In short, bigotry and greed to include the Church Ministers depending on both for their bread and butter, conned the masses of fellow bigots that the new enemy, the dog to kick now that African Americans had Article 13 Constitutional protections and an end to hateful segregation, are Libruls.

          The dissonance created by the emmancipation of Blacks was enormous for most of the whites in the south and even many in the north.  The end of segregation in the 1960s blew their minds.  To compensate, they had to grab hold of a new pillar to piss on.

          So, once convinced Libruls are evil, it's been a cake walk for bigotry and mostly GREED, to convince these voters to reject any candidate and/or policy from any, other than tried and true so-called Conservatives regardless of how bad, dumb, incompetent, and/or blatantly evil the candidate is or the GOP policies are.  Cunningham, DeLay, Palin, Fox, and Gohmert are good examples.

          So, no.  I refuse to let any who continue down this willfully ignorant path off the hook.

          I know some Phd's who think Fox News is the bomb, who believe Libruls are evil, and who refuse to question anything the GOP does.  Of course, they will shout from the rooftops that, as stalwart Christians, they don't have a bigoted bone in their body.  I call BS.

          Is there malnutrition?  Yes.  Are there brain-damaged people?  Yes.

          Thinking isn't the problem.  Feeling is.

          Cognitive dissonance disengages the heart, where people can experience empathy and compassion.  If it were not for cognitive dissonance, all the evil perpetuated by one group onto another could not happen.  Group think is easily manipulated by those who understand how to use words to steer people into their paradigms.

          Few in power will admit these truths.


          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun May 05, 2013 at 11:34:46 AM PDT

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          •  Well, I'll tell you what. (6+ / 0-)

            A very long time ago, a supervisor (the last I ever had) advised that I needed to learn what could be changed and what couldn't and suggested that God would provide the grace to tell the difference. My response then was that, in order to know, I'd have to first try to make a difference. And so, I've spent 50 years doing that and now I'm to the point of realizing that some people simply cannot be led to comprehend what their brains are not prepared to receive.

            Is it cognitive dissonance or cognitive absence? I'm inclined to go with the latter. Some people are incapable of knowing themselves or what they do. Socrates and Jesus Christ both identified them. People who know not what they do and act out of habit or in imitation. Imitation is particularly deceiving because imitation not only flatters but enables complex behaviors without revealing that there's no cognition.

            We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

            by hannah on Sun May 05, 2013 at 02:56:30 PM PDT

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            •  All true, hannah (2+ / 0-)
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              I often wonder if, at some point, our average Jane and/or Joe, at some young age, doesn't sever the connection between the heart and the brain.  Did you know the heart precedes the brain function?  Without conciously asking the heart to inform the brain (that still small voice), or worse willfully ignoring the promptings of the heart, people can't behave in a holistic manner.

              We are talking about people here, so of course no generalization can apply and the variables are many; however, with some exceptions of course, I refuse to believe that people are not responsible for their choices on how to think and behave even though the constraints are oppressive in too many cases, like deep poverty, oppression, and being treated without basic dignity.

              In this and too many societies, too many peope are left at the botton of the Maslo pyramid of needs.  I think it drives many insane, quite frankly, while many find some inner strength to drag themselves out of the slime, renew themselves, and live good lives.  Victor Frankl addresses this in his book, Man's Search for Meaning.

              From personal experience, I can clearly remember the times, even the words, when my heart prompted me to make a change, what to say, where to find something, etc.  More often than not, I listened and probably saved myself a world of trouble.

              This persistent willful ignorance on behalf of the Right Wing here and throughout the world is a huge constraint, keeping societies divided, incomes unequal, and the large list of societal, environmental, and oppressions in place.

              It makes me sad and wondering if we will ever get the courage to suffer for a short time in order to resist the system that is oppressing?  What would that suffering look like?  Hunger?  Homelessness?  Group housing?  I honestly am stumped.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:57:20 PM PDT

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              •  No suffering required. Just standing together. (0+ / 0-)

                The deprivation is being imposed virtually by relying on two figments of the imagination -- money and the law. Both, being virtual, can be adjusted quite easily, once we out and decry their use to subordinate our own kind.
                It was thought that "equality" held the key. But it turns out almost the whole population can be equally deprived of their livelihood and their rights. What we need to address is the notion that subordination of human beings is wrong -- that abuse and enforced obedience are wrong.
                I suppose that in order to do that we have to make a distinction between enforced obedience and the prohibition of wrong and realize that compliance does not eliminate wrong behavior because enforced obedience is itself the essence of wrong.
                There is a difference between following and being dragged along.

                We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

                by hannah on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:22:23 AM PDT

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          •  I know a Phd like this (0+ / 0-)

            He's also a bully whose family fears him. He's a wingnut because he's a bully and the ideology is just for cover. Most if not all of their leaders are this way. But the followers are some combination of dumb, ignorant, fearful, manipulated and unsophisticated, and acting out of tribal pressure, and I believe that many of them can eventually be "rescued", especially as the fiery rhetoric of their leaders is belied by the harsh realities of their lives.

            Things change, eventually, and conservatism as a viable political and ideological force will soon be spent for another generation or two.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 09:27:09 PM PDT

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