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  •  How am I supposed to take seriously (9+ / 0-)

    people who claim they want "reasonable regulation" who then turn around and pretend there are currently no gun laws in existence?

    If the current gun laws are nothing, then what would half a loaf look like?

    What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

    by happymisanthropy on Sun May 05, 2013 at 02:42:45 PM PDT

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    •  There are laws in existence, (17+ / 0-)

      it's just that they are so riddled with bulletholes that they don't do a damm thing to stop the slaughter, they don't prevent criminals and wackos from getting weapons. And that's just the way the gunloons like it.
      Real regulation that really does protect people and reduce easy access to unspeakable death and destruction is off the table as far as  the NRA/RKBA wackpacs are concerned.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sun May 05, 2013 at 03:48:30 PM PDT

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      •  but you're not telling me (8+ / 0-)

        what regulations you think will actually accomplish your objectives.

        And, since you think all the laws we have now are worthless, why don't we scrap them and start over from scratch?

        What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

        by happymisanthropy on Sun May 05, 2013 at 03:55:01 PM PDT

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        •  You gun owners (17+ / 0-)

          had decades to contribute to decent laws, and instead you fucked them up and have gotten thousands upon thousands killed.

          BTW I'd like everyone to note this the same trick Boehner tried to play on Obama repeatedly: demand your opponent produce a proposal, then attack it, while never producing a proposal of your own. Guess what smiley, we see what you're doing.

          So yeah, how much respect should I give someone who emulates Boehner? Hmmm ...

          "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

          by nosleep4u on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:06:16 PM PDT

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          •  Laws can't give you what you want, nt (5+ / 0-)
          •  Then you'd probably be surprised to learn (6+ / 0-)

            that the NRA not only supported the NICS Improvement Amendments Act, it basically wrote it.

            The number of records entered into NICS
            has increased significantly since the law was
            signed in January 2008. As of December 2010,
            NICS officials were able to access nearly 70
            million records when conducting a background
            check, including more than 1.1 million records
            identifying people who are prohibited for
            reasons of mental health.23 By October 2011,
            the number of mental health records in the
            NICS database had risen to more than 1.3
            million.24
            As the number of records in NICS has
            increased, so has the number of attempted
            firearms purchases that have been denied
            because of the mental health status of the
            buyer. In 2006, for example, only 405 gun sales
            were declined for mental health reasons;25 in
            2010, that number increased to 6,103.26

            What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

            by happymisanthropy on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:28:32 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, here's commentary from the time (6+ / 0-)
                 
                   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
              December 20, 2007
              No. 13
              MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS COALITION REACTS TO CONGRESSIONAL PASSAGE OF NICS BILL

              Joint Statement from Coalition Co-Chairs New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino

              "The tragic rampage at Virginia Tech exposed the terrible cost of failing to enforce the laws that prevent the mentally unstable from purchasing guns. Yesterday, Congress did the right thing and passed a common-sense bill that will help prevent guns from falling into the hands of thousands of people already barred from possessing them. The bill will help strengthen the integrity of the federal background check system, and it is an important first step toward achieving what hundreds of mayors around the country have been fighting for: basic law enforcement."

              Contact:      New York City Mayor's Press Office    (212) 788-2958
              Boston Mayor's Press Office    (617) 635-4461

              About a law the NRA practically wrote.

              Funny how every new law is a "first step."  No matter how many laws are passed, we're never any closer to... wherever it is Bloomberg wants to go.

              What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

              by happymisanthropy on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:34:30 PM PDT

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          •  What gun laws did I fuck up? (5+ / 0-)

            I, personally, wanted a universal background check; a law making it a felony for straw purchases; and a safe-storage requirement. I thought that at minimum those were reasonable, and debate could be had on further regulations as well.

            But even as a gun owner, I never even got a chance to vote on these things, because it will killed before a real debate could be had.

            The internet is ruled by cat people. Dog people are busy playing outside.

            by Canis Aureus on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:44:57 PM PDT

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          •  While I've never owned a firearm. You cannot (9+ / 0-)

            legitimately hold those of us that support the entire Bill Of Rights, as ""gotten thousands upon thousands killed".

            We could play the blame game all day long and I could tell you that when the AWB went through in the 90's it lead directly to us losing the House for the first time in 50 yrs.  That lose paved the way for the codification of the republican agenda that has seen decades of unfunded resource wars, "welfare reform", the racist drug war and that "great sucking sound" we heard of American jobs being sent overseas.  

            That loss triggered so many things like NAFTA, GATT and the WTO.  It lead us down a path that moved the Overton Window so far to the right that 20 yrs later we were forced to accept the republican health insurance "solution" 20+ yrs later that has me personally paying $1800+ a year and still not able to afford actual healthcare while making the for-profit health insurance companies rich beyond the dreams of avarice. This year alone my premiums are expected to go up 30% and Aetna still hasn't found me a PCP in my area! But I'm told to "suck it up" and accept that "this is the best we can do in today's climate".

            Now, 20+ yrs later you blame everyone and everything on the gun.  The gun didn't create these conditions and banning the gun will not solve these problems.

            Your one-dimensional position IS insulting to those of us that have been paying attention.

            How did we get to this point again?
             How did we spend the most on this entire planet for health insurance but not get healthcare?  How did we spent $4 trillion on unfunded resource wars?  How did we get to be 187th in  infant mortality?  How did we get to the point of there being over 100 million American unemployed with 49 million so poor they need food stamps to help them eat? How did we become #1 in the world with the most incarcerated citizens?

            So, when you claim it was our fault for killing thousands, how about we all look in the goddamn mirror when 133,00 Americans die each year from poverty!  Abject poverty brought about by the damage your precious gun control gave us!

            I don't believe the likes of you anymore and I won't support any policy that will enable the republicans to continue to destroy this nation.

            Thanks for playing!

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:51:15 PM PDT

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          •  I have no friggin' (1+ / 0-)
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            respect for them----and I don't give a rat's ass what they think or what they have to say.

            Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

            by lyvwyr101 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:21:32 AM PDT

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        •  Fine. (15+ / 0-)

          Start with: all guns, new and used, must be registered with a federal gun registry, BATFE, with a sample bullet.
          When any gun is sold, whether it's through a dealer or a gun show or in the parkinglot of Toys'R'Us, the registry has to be notified of that transfer. And the buyer has to pass a stringent background check.
          People who are convicted of violent crimes, people who are served with restraining orders lose their guns. Same for people who have been adjudicated as mentally ill. Carrying a gun while drunk or on heavy medications should be treated like drunk driving: privilege revoked.
          All ammunition must have some kind of taggant, either in the powder or the slug, that identifies the ammunition to the batch number and that batch number is registered with BATFE from the manufacturer down to the retail purchaser. EVERY BULLET ACCOUNTED FOR.
          If you are caught with an unregistered gun or unsigned ammo, you are assumed to have intent to kill, just as if you are caught with an ounce of dope you are charged with intent to distribute.
          That would be a good start.
          Dealing with the huge number of guns already in criminal hands will take some work, but this will stop the flow so we can work on reducing the number of loose guns out there.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:18:41 PM PDT

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    •  Oh look, "just asking questions". (14+ / 0-)

      You know fucking well the laws are riddled with loopholes the size of the Titanic.

      Your game of playing ignorant doesn't fool anyone.

      If you want to play that game, just take the label. Put it in your sig.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Sun May 05, 2013 at 03:55:19 PM PDT

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    •  Welcome to complete hypocrisy. (0+ / 0-)

      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

      by lyvwyr101 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:15:58 AM PDT

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