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  •  How is that different (12+ / 0-)

    from the GOPers who say "well, all gays are coming for your children-- just look at the pedo-priests as an example!"

    Pedo-priests are engaging in homosexual behavior, but you wouldn't say they are the standard for all homosexuals, would you?

    I've never killed anyone, or wanted to kill anyone, with my weapons. I want to see stricter controls because every shooting makes reasonable gun owners look bad. Sounds like "i love san fran" hasn't shot anyone either. Responsible gun owners are precisely the allies you want in this fight. Vilifying all of us by flinging accusations of murder is self-defeating.

    The internet is ruled by cat people. Dog people are busy playing outside.

    by Canis Aureus on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:31:38 PM PDT

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    •  Wow, grasp at straws much? (5+ / 0-)
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      Did pedo priests corrupt the  laws of the united states?

      Was their agenda marketed to and supported by priests throughout the nation?

      No, and no.

      A ridiculous and foolish false equivalence.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:22:45 PM PDT

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      •  Seriously, you ask this question? (3+ / 0-)
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        Pedo-priests are able to operate with fucking impunity and the Catholic Church is allowed to deal with the situation as they see fit, internally. The law does not aggressively pursue these guys.

        I mean, seriously? Just because they don't openly ally themselves with NAMBLA and work as an identifiable PAC, they most assuredly do have the law on a leash.

        And do other priests openly support their activities? No, but they sure as hell don't go out of their way to deal with the situation, either. They hold the rug up so the dirt can be swept under, then pretend not to see the lump in the carpet.

        It is a fitting analogy.

        The internet is ruled by cat people. Dog people are busy playing outside.

        by Canis Aureus on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:28:08 PM PDT

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        •  Tell me what laws the pedo priests (3+ / 0-)
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          got Congress to pass.

          Cmon, name just one.

          Waiting.

          "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

          by nosleep4u on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:36:03 PM PDT

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          •  Pedo-priests have not, to my knowledge, (3+ / 0-)
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            gotten any laws protecting their behavior passed, but that is not the bar I set when making the analogy. The analogy is that you are taking the scummiest members of gun owners as a social subset and judging all gun owners by their actions-- the same as when the GOP infers that "all gays" are pedos because some gay pedos are high-profile cases in the news with regards to the Church. They are gays, but the worst possible representatives of gay society, that are being used to erroneously malign every homosexual.

            I never, in my analogy, stated that the Church managed to pass laws "just like the NRA". You added that on.

            The Church is able to shield people from the law, and the law, as an institution, seems to be okay with that, since there is no active intent to pursue unless one of these cases becomes too big to ignore. I would guess  that a large population of Catholic voters keeps the law passive-- or, at least, the assumed backlash that would result if the Department of Justice started searching churches and questioning priests.

            Face it, the Church has the DoJ completely on the defensive when it comes to active pursuit of pedo-priests. To pretend otherwise just because the world "laws" wasn't used specifically is to ignore reality.

            Hell, if you want to play that game, remember that the NRA was the organization responsible for passing the NICS check law in the first place. So if you're going to judge them based solely on "laws passed" then, hey, they're at the forefront of gun control legislation. They've gotten more gun control laws passed that the Brady campaign, even! Sure you want to use that yardstick?

            The internet is ruled by cat people. Dog people are busy playing outside.

            by Canis Aureus on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:47:34 PM PDT

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      •  They know (0+ / 0-)

        there is no god-damned way in the world to justify these statistics-

        http://www.policymic.com/...

        http://wiki.answers.com/...

        Who in the world can justify this?

        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

        by lyvwyr101 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:23:31 AM PDT

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    •  asdf (3+ / 0-)
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      Sounds like "i love san fran" hasn't shot anyone either.
      Neither have most drunk drivers.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:37:57 PM PDT

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    •  Wrong..... (5+ / 0-)
      Pedo-priests are engaging in homosexual behavior, but you wouldn't say they are the standard for all homosexuals, would you?
      They are not engaging in "homosexual behavior" -- they are engaging in pedohilia, a whole different class of behavior, and one that is actually a sickness.  

      I should HR you for not knowing (or caring about) the difference.

      Is it courageous to propose tax cuts but not identify a single tax expenditure to rein in? Is it courageous to target your deepest cuts on the poorest Americans, who vote in lower numbers and provide little in campaign contributions?

      by caul on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:13:46 AM PDT

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