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  •  The Federal Government Went to War Against (0+ / 0-)

    sovereign states, in clear violation of their rights. As laid down by the Continental Congress in the 1770's.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:53:55 PM PDT

    •  nonsense! (7+ / 0-)

      If you hold to the Articles of Confederation.

      There was a Constitution ratified by all of the states at the time.

      In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

      by vcmvo2 on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:56:08 PM PDT

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    •  What was the aggression? (11+ / 0-)

      If it was aggressive for the federal government to refuse to hand over Ft. Sumter, was it American aggression to vacate Pearl Harbor that got us into World War II?

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:03:07 PM PDT

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    •  That was negated by the CC of the 1780s (4+ / 0-)

      The Constitution under which the civil war was fought, and under which we live today, was created specifically to strengthen the central federal government at the expense of state sovereignty.

      And when did you become an apologist for the Rebellion in Defense of Slavery? You have intelligent, progressive things to say on other topics -- this is not your shining hour.

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      by harrije on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:11:53 PM PDT

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    •  Good grief (4+ / 0-)

      All hail John Hanson! father of our country, right?

      I mean SOMEBODY presided over the Articles of Confederation and that was John Hanson. Since we live under the Articles he's the father of the country right?

      He MUST be the Father of the Country. He's the only Lutheran President we've ever had! It's been all down hill since Hanson.


      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:20:45 PM PDT

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    •  A of C established a permanent relationship (5+ / 0-)

      which the Constitution carries forward with the idea of forming "a more perfect union" since in theory the states were already united

      the aggression was when Pierre Beauregard ordered his troops to fire upon Fort Sumter.

      It is worth noting that Virginia did not vote to secede until April of 1861.  Had Virginia not seceded, the Civil War would have been very different - the Confederacy would have lacked Lee, Jackson, and Stuart.

      Of course, had McClellan been willing to be aggressive, he could probably have effectively ended the war either in the Peninsular Campaign or at Antietam, both in 1862.  

      It seems as if the NRA folks have a lot in common with the Confederates - if they can't have their way they want to take the ball and go home.  In other words, they don't believe in democracy and they are basically crybabies.

      "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

      by teacherken on Sun May 05, 2013 at 06:56:21 PM PDT

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      •  And they both seem to get all worked up (0+ / 0-)

        over what might or may happen at some point in the future,   no matter how realistically unlikely that might be.

        If only the Southern states had kept their powder dry and not seceded until Congress actually passed legislation abolishing slavery. They would have lost nothing by waiting, and if they had, the Civil War might never have happened.

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