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  •  Evening joeshikspak and all bluesers ! (6+ / 0-)

    Isn't it time to push for impeachment of Obama over Gitmo torture and non-judicial killings? Fat luck that will happen....

    Anyway, thanks for this post!

      photo bigBend042.jpg  Full Moon Rises over the moon like landscape in Terlingua, TX during our trip last month.....

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    by divineorder on Wed May 08, 2013 at 05:10:26 PM PDT

    •  evening do... (3+ / 0-)

      great to see you and your travel pix!

      i think that it is half-past time for that, but there don't appear to be any more principled dems with any, um, intestinal fortitude and the rethugs are just drooling over the hope that they'll get to use the powers that obama is developing.  so, you're probably right. fat chance.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Wed May 08, 2013 at 05:26:30 PM PDT

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    •  Hey do, what are you thinking? Accountability is (5+ / 0-)

      for suckers you know, like teachers. Not for the elites.

      Beautiful  pic. Especially as I am watching rain falling outside my window. No complaints though - MN was under 100% drought last summer but the snow and now rain have turned things around.

      "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

      by Funkygal on Wed May 08, 2013 at 05:46:23 PM PDT

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      •  I am a 'recovering educator' so your comment (5+ / 0-)

        really hits home.

        Congrats on the rain!

        Back in Santa Fe now which also is still in a serious drought but did get a little rain this week.

        Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

        by divineorder on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:06:12 PM PDT

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        •  "Recovering educator" is a nice term. Though also (6+ / 0-)

          sad. Teachers shouldn't have to be recovering. I wanted to become a public school teacher especially in an inner city school. But the corporatization really spooked me and I decided against it. And I keep reading about teachers quitting the profession unable to withstand de-skilling and the insults heaped on them (and I can say for sure they are doing it with a heavy heart). Diane Ravitch chronicles them time & again.
          Idiot USA !

          "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

          by Funkygal on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:15:12 PM PDT

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          •  It wa meant to be funny. (5+ / 0-)

            I  retired from teaching inner city High School in Austin, have no regrets for my choice of profession, no nightmares.....

            I did not like the move toward destroying public schools using testing as a club.

            Unions are the only hope for saving our public schools and the profession imo.

            Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

            by divineorder on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:39:23 PM PDT

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            •  unions should be like Chicago Teachers Union. Not (3+ / 0-)

              like the AFT and NEA whose leaders spout from their mouth and from their ass(my aunt's apt description for speaking from both sides of the mouth) and suppress any real grassroots organising.

              "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

              by Funkygal on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:28:50 PM PDT

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              •  Your aunt, and you, are wrong on this (1+ / 0-)
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                based on my own personal experiences.  

                AFT and NEA whose leaders spout from their mouth and from their ass(my aunt's apt description for speaking from both sides of the mouth) and suppress any real grassroots organising.
                In Austin we grass roots organized and formed the first hybrid AFT/NEA hybrid local.  No real opposition from either.

                Sorry, gotta call bullshit on this.

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                by divineorder on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:38:23 PM PDT

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                •  Grassroots organising happen in spite of resistanc (0+ / 0-)

                  -e (some times indifference) from the top. When Michelle Rhee was D.C schools chancellor, Randi Weingarten "took over" the long contract negotiations and gave Rhee lots of what she wanted.[Not that the local union leader was any good - he was booted out later by a more activist/radical slate and is now working for StudentsFirst!  Sometimes local leaders are corrupt too - in that they "collaborate" with the bosses. Chicago itself is a good example. Karen Lewis ran as a "rebel" candidate fueled by grassroots anger and defeated the compliant candidate.  NEA head Dennis Van Roekel, after denouncing Obama admin as the most anti-teacher admin ever (rightly so) in an annual convention, caved next year and endorsed Obama for re-election - in 2011 - more thana year ahead giving up all the leverage. Teacherken, a NEA member then, was frustrated and wrote a diary here.

                  "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

                  by Funkygal on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:00:09 PM PDT

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                  •  Expanding further, Weingarten did support CTU (0+ / 0-)

                    strike last year but after CTU took the lead. National union leads came out against std testing following the protests in WA state but they will never suggest something themselves. I think they are realising the anger from rank and file teachers and are afraid of being irrelevant and so trying to "support" grassroots initiatives. They don't want a repeat of Chicago union elections me thinks.

                    "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

                    by Funkygal on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:03:56 PM PDT

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            •  I am very glad for people like you who taught and (0+ / 0-)

              were able to retire with satisfaction. You all performed a real job - of real use to the society - unlike you know, the Wall Street types etc. Sadly, amny teachers of today may not feel the same. Brain Jones, a teacher/activist from NYC (he has appeared on Democracy Now)  came here for an event where "Not waiting for superman" (documentary done by NYC area residents/activists/teachers) was screened. I asked him if he would recommend teaching as a career to anybody. He said it is very difficult for him to do so anymore. And this from a guy who is not taking things lying down and is fighting hard against TPTB.

              "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

              by Funkygal on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:38:36 PM PDT

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    •  The deeper issue (4+ / 0-)

      I'd love nothing more than to see accountability, but to the class the President represents and leads, impeachment would simply mean justice hasn't been sufficiently gamed.  

      To me, the question is, "How do you impeach a class?"

      A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

      by MrJayTee on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:34:42 PM PDT

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      •  the french had some ideas about that... (4+ / 0-)

        though i would rather that we could find a less bloody way to impeach them.  

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:37:37 PM PDT

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        •  How do you feel about omelets? (4+ / 0-)

          A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

          by MrJayTee on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:47:39 PM PDT

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          •  point well taken... (3+ / 0-)
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            i was speaking of my druthers rather than what i expect will be necessary.  the people have a right to their existential needs and additionally the things like education that create a decent society.  if they are denied by a small group of exploiters, then history is replete with examples of what the exploiters' prize will be.

            i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

            by joe shikspack on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:56:26 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, goodness yes. (4+ / 0-)

              My preference, too.  In fact, the days when violence could overthrow the ruling class are pretty much over, in rich countries, anyway.

              The National Security State knows almost in advance what its opponents intend to do, and they don't give a shit about anyone's guns, much to Skeeter and Bubba's disappointment.  The rich control the financial system and the food distribution system, all they need to take dictatorial control if and when they want it, not to mention machines that make mass numbers puke, fry, or fall over bleeding from their ears.

              Because all we do is effectively transparent to them, we have no choice but to reject violence.  The only course in my opinion is civil disobedience so massive it damages the bourgeoisie's revenue stream so severely they attempt to buy us off, and that's if they don't institute martial law.  I see that one as 50-50, advantage us.

              Even then, the result would probably be social democracy, a pale, reactionary version of democratic socialism, but it might be a place to start.

              So, much as I like omelets myself, what I really want to smash is the popular notion--popular here and elsewhere--that we live in anything like a democracy and that the two-party system has a damn thing to do with correcting that fact.

              A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

              by MrJayTee on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:22:58 PM PDT

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