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  •  um, you make a lot of assumptions here... (32+ / 0-)

    so let me offer a bit of insight.

    two of the housemates (there are four of us total in this house) are convicted felons.  both for drug use.

    one comes off parole in a few days - the other in a few months.  one is actively working her program and is active in counselling young high school students on how drugs can REALLY screw up one's life and goals and future.

    the other one, he isn't working a program - he is biding time - whether or not he stays clean is a toss up.  he just had a major cancer scare - four tumors removed from his stomach - had a stroke, has high blood pressure and had two additional stints added to the one he already had within the last two months.

    my friend who rented them rooms at incredibly low rent to give them a stable drug free environment to try to get their lives together (yes, she really IS a saint, btw), gains nothing from helping.  the rent?  they don't pay for utilities, toilet paper, soap, etc... so the rent is negligible.  they have been given a chance.

    this is east palo alto.  the place where people help each other if the ones being helped are really trying.

    so, no one is thrown off this island.  they may LEAVE the "island" if they don't want to help themselves - and it may be involuntarily... but watching my neighbors who have battled with addiction and overcome it is watching people at their worst AND best.

    so, don't give me that "police-state" crap, either.  the cops here are the first to try to help the overdose - are the first to try to give people who are trying all the help they need.

    your view of the world is distorted - come live in MY neighborhood for a while - and, yes, i have been pulled over for the legendary "light over the license plate is out" routine - why? because i am driving a 97 red mustang convertible whose white top looks like tan ( barn dust) that matches the red mustang convertible with the TAN top that is driven by a possible drug dealer around the corner.  did i mind?  nope.  

    and did i enjoy teasing the young cop who was startled to see this 67 yr old face and who then asked whose car it was.  when i pointed out that the car is mine and that i am the ham operator belonging to my specialty license plate, we talked yaesu handheld radios cuz he's a ham, too.

    he's out there trying to deal with a town with a major drug problem - a major gang problem - a major GUN problem - he's doing his job to make the neighborhood safe for the rest of us at risk to his own life.

    so, again, don't hand me that police state crap.  and don't hand me that "did you ever wonder for a second ..."  that answer is no, because i can just ask either of my housemates or the neighbor down the block when i want to know.

    so there...... my advice to you is "don't assume..."

    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

    by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:30:15 AM PDT

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    •  is this some kind of joke? (3+ / 0-)
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      read your own comment:

      "two of the housemates (there are four of us total in this house) are convicted felons.  both for drug use."

      Don't you see something obviously wrong with people being felons for DRUG USE?! And how is that NOT a police state? They drown people with drug problems with legal fees and push them into the whole prison-industrial complex from the lawyers to courts to private prisons.

      Obviously cops do some good every now and then, but the larger system is completely corrupt, demonizes people with drug addictions by criminalizing them instead of helping them, and all the while you sit here and talk about these evil "drug dealers" and "convicted felons for drug use".

      It's absolutely absurd that you would claim my view is distorted while you're praising a corrupt police-state for pulling you over for a license plate light because your car looked like "a possible drug dealer around the corner"?

      What on earth is the matter with you people, DRUGS are not the problem, the judicial system and greater police state which creates the cycle of criminalizing addicts, harassing them, and putting undue pressure on them which leads them to go back to using because the stress of being a felon and having everyone hound you with court fees and other nonsense is too much to handle.

      So no, your view is the one that is distorted, not mine.

      Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

      by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:36:42 AM PDT

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      •  "you people"???? (21+ / 0-)

        dear, i've got a helluva lot better handle on reality than you do, based on this post.

        this conversation is now over... unless you can come back with less hysterics and more facts.

        good night

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:48:51 AM PDT

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        •  you degraded the tone... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...when you called my worldview distorted.

          own up to your rhetoric and your ridiculously illogical train of thought.

          enjoy getting pulled over and thanking the cops for mistaking you for an "evil possible drug dealer around the corner".

          and enjoy tacitly endorsing your fellow citizens becoming felons because of drug use -- really logical and civil society that you're working to foster.

          tootles.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:07:55 AM PDT

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        •  oh and (0+ / 0-)

          insulting my handle on reality?

          lol, you're the one who seems puzzled that young people around you are suffering economically and socially, all the while cheering on the police-state and the drug war that marginalizes your fellow citizens. oh yes, it's the drugs fault! not the fact that casual drug users (or even addicts) are being labeled as felons which limits their potential in society. but no, i get it, blame the victim, blame the addict, blame personal responsibility -- whatever helps you sleep at night.

          i'm surprised you can even wake up and make breakfast with such a tenuous grip on morality and reality, frankly.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:10:54 AM PDT

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      •  Stupid fucked-up drug laws (6+ / 0-)
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        a2nite, SadieSue, Odysseus, RainyDay, Philpm, edrie

        ..do not a police state make. Nor is enforcement of existing law, which has some seriously stupid areas, tantamount to corruption.

        Cogito, ergo Democrata.

        by Ahianne on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:23:54 AM PDT

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        •  where are you from? Somalia? (2+ / 0-)
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          Your standard for a police state must be really low -- we're spending over $200 billion now on the whole police-courts-public prison complex (almost half of what we're spending on the military-industrial complex!), pre-Reagan that was under $20 billion -- the population growth and inflation have NOT accounted for a 10 fold increase.

          and wtf, "enforcement of existing law" ? lol do you realize how absurd some of the laws are that are being enforced?

          All those lawyer/cop/bondsman/prison workers -- there's such a corrupt for-profit industry in the whole chain.

          And now after PATRIOT ACT and this continuation of NDAA, our civil liberties are being stamped on and they're wiping their ass with the constitution, killing Americans abroad with drones, spying on our communications.

          I'm amused you simply refer to drug laws as stupid while ignoring all the evidence of our over-imprisoning, over-spending, the entire for-profit industry within the corrupt complex.

          I guess it's hurts more to acknowledge the truth that we're an oligarchical police state and people with money generally are insulated enough to put up with the occasional run-in with the law. Eventually it will catch up to most of us.

          It reminds me of the Republicans last year -- "what polls saying Obama is leading? Obama isn't leading."  Denial of reality doesn't make reality go away.

          Here's some required reading for you to help you get informed:

          1st - It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis -- this is just to get your juices flowing, to make some basic theoretical connections.

          Sheldon Wolin's Democracy Inc.

          And Mike Gray's "Drug Crazy" (a comprehensive study with all the facts you need to learn).

          And if you don't believe in the corruption going on? Boy I got news for you. Have you not read Lawrence Lessig's book Republic Lost? Or Bartels' Unequal Democracy?  

          There are judges who have gone to prison for participating in scams to send kids to private prisons for kickbacks.

          The corruption is pathogenic, endemic within our society -- you have to really have a narrow media absorption to not know about the systemic corruption.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:26:17 AM PDT

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        •  and here's (2+ / 0-)
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          a piece Chris Hedges wrote that I was trying to find before:

          http://dprogram.net/...

          The Shame of America's Gulag

          Ignore all the data on how we incarcerate over 20% of the world's prison population but have only 4% of the world population.

          Ignore the expenditures on police/judicial complex that exceed third world war-torn nations.

          But read the damn article and at least try to find the human within you that can understand what's happening in your own country to your neighbors who don't have the privilege of trying to "wish away" the police-state out of existence.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:30:57 AM PDT

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