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  •  Laws were enacted. They were not enforced. (4+ / 0-)

    40% of illegal immigrants are visa overstays.  These people flew in for a visit, or legally for temporary work.

    They never left.

    And, now we want to throw out the red carpet for them to come and bid for our jobs that they will gladly take for half the salaries.  The only thing stopping them til now was a company could not legally hire them.  Immigration "reform" will fix that!

    It is a myth that illegal immigrants are not a threat to existing workers in higher paying jobs in America.  Yes, a good portion of those workers are uneducated and work in low paying jobs.  But there is a very large number of people in this country who will instantly become a threat to existing American workers - especially in high tech fields.

    And there is still no mention of visa overstay reform as part of these bills.  It is more porous than our southern non-fenced border - even more so.

    •  There are definitely class biases going on. In (1+ / 0-)
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      the end most issues get down to class issues.

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      by judyms9 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:39:54 AM PDT

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    •  Immigrants.. (0+ / 0-)

      are only a threat if you're a bigot who dislikes people because of their location of birth. Try thinking for 1 second. Immigrants will accept lower wages REGARDLESS of where they live. The difference is that if they move to America they contribute to OUR economy and have access to better infrastructure and technology resulting in a net benefits for natives (all research shows this).
      The richest 10% are the only ones to see wealth and income gain (others saw losses), resulting in you being poor and jobless; the fact that your solution to your problems (which are pathetic problems compared to those in 3rd world countries) is to scapegoat and bash good people who are worse off make you a total ass hole.

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      by Hamtree on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:43:11 AM PDT

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      •  logic fail (2+ / 0-)
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        The difference is that if they move to America they contribute to OUR economy and have access to better infrastructure and technology resulting in a net benefits for natives (all research shows this).
        No.  While that MAY be true in a thriving economy, it is patently false in an economy where 12 million are out of work.

        When you replace an American citizen with a lower paid newly minted legal immigrant who accepts half the wages, you have a net NEGATIVE contribution to the economy.  The difference goes into the coffers of the corporation savvy enough to fire the American worker and hire the new immigrant.

        And, since many immigrants send earnings directly out of the country back to their country of origin, it gets even worse.

      •  perhaps what he was laying the blame on (3+ / 0-)

        the US employers who will lay off workers in skilled fields and hire immigrants at lower wages, and how the bill has no protections against that

        Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

        by Boogalord on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:05:32 AM PDT

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      •  There is not need to be stupid on either side of (0+ / 0-)

        this issue.

        I wonder how many roofers, electricians, carpenters, dry-wallers, etc would agree with you after being frozen out of post-Katrina work in New Orleans by contractors who hired (tons of) illegal workers on the cheap.  Worse: many of those didn't even get what they were promised.

        One also makes an asshole of him or herself when dumping on folks who have been out of work, lost homes, etc in the current economy. It's really damned stupid to expect us to enjoy our situation.

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        by dinotrac on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:20:41 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not even so sure that it is only about (1+ / 0-)
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      the uneducated and unskilled anymore.  What I hear, and it largely goes unreported in the media, it's education (teachers), lawyers.  Certain professions are erecting walls, e.g. medicine.  Others not as effective.

      The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

      by helfenburg on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:52:19 AM PDT

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      •  The J-1 visa brings in 10s of 1000s of doctors (0+ / 0-)

        Every Indian doctor in this country is one less opportunity for an American kid to become a physician. It's a zero-sum game.

      •  That's never been more than talking points. (2+ / 0-)
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        Forcing the conversation to the poorest and most poorly paid jobs is a nifty way to avoid the complexities of the issue -- not to mention a complete disdain for American workers that really should bother the Labor Leaders (and their union brothers land sisters) who contribute so much to the Democratic Party.

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        by dinotrac on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:24:01 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, but SEIU (3+ / 0-)
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          has decided that contribution from non-citizen members which pay their salaries is more important than the rights of American citizens to jobs.

          In some cases, unions are cheering for non-Americans to get jobs.

          And I have a serious problem with that.

          •  I guess they figure it might be good for their (0+ / 0-)

            union.  Another special interest group operating on the
            basis of what's good for them, but not for us.

            The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

            by helfenburg on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:32:01 AM PDT

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        •  From what I read, brother Richard Trumka, now (0+ / 0-)

          appearing in another place on this website, has given it his seal of approval.  Go figure.

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:31:09 AM PDT

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