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View Diary: Let's Teach the Controversy of Evolution vs Intelligent Design **Updated with Poll question** (365 comments)

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  •  that would be included (1+ / 0-)
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    In any thorough scientific criticism.  The scientific community is very concerned about experimenter bias and funding issues (e.g. pharmacuetical sponsorship) and conflicts of interest

    •  Except there are no 'experimenters' (1+ / 0-)
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      No science to critique, just well-funded institutions and think tanks producing talking points for politicians and teaching materials for their victims.  In fact, studying 'cigarette science' and the method of production of uncertainty for the purposes of driving policy would be a great topic. It could go from the ABCC Hiroshima disinformation, through the privatization phase of actual corporate cigarette science in congress and in court, point a quick spotlight on the rise and fall of ID, (proven fraudulent in Dover) , NRA Home Defense statistics, and finally Reinhard and Rogoff's blatant fraud, and almost magical the way it was amplified and stove-piped to serve elite policy interests in record time.

      •  yes (1+ / 0-)
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        As I have posted throughout this discussion, I do not believe this will ever occur in the real world.  More of a theoretical point that scientists should stop shying away from a discussion with "that's not science so I won't talk about it."  

        •  I just think starting the debate (1+ / 0-)
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          framing the ID proponent as necessarily either dishonest or ignorant is the strongest and most honest way to go. If you have to mention falsifiability or define 'theory', you have already gone too far. When you wrestle a pig, you get muddy and the pig has fun.

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