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  •  Get a Grip!!! THREE people (12+ / 0-)

    We've got stories of 3 dead suburban white women killed by their suburban white boy friends on our front page.   19 year old sets off a bomb?  Well, we had a 19 year old not paying attention run down a buggy full of Amish kids.  Didn't I just see a report of a Lincoln limo going up in flames killing a bride and a half dozen girl friends?  

    Wild and crazy stuff abounds.  People fall off roofs.  People slip on the ice.  People text themselves into on-coming traffic.  

    No one pays any attention when 3 people die in the latest gang hits, domestic abuse, overdoses, suicides whatever if they live on the wrong side of anyone's town for that matter.  

    •  Some potentially deadly attacks have been averted (3+ / 0-)
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      At least 3 in New York City alone in the last few years that could have killed hundreds.

      Even the death and destruction in the intentional bombing murders in Boston could have been far worse.

      and btw, why do you think we would share your obsession with the color of the dead womens' boyfriends?

      •  If the plotters had had any weapons or a plan (2+ / 0-)
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        not provided for them by an NYPD  "anti-terrorist" agents provocateur .

        And then there was the guy with the British Connection  who was going to make rocket fuel  grade hydrogen peroxide by cooking the stuff you buy from hair salon wholesalers.  

        And the guy who was going to set Kennedy Airport on fire by doing something with a road flare in the airport fuel depot.

        So  we've had a choice between the "aspirational" and the "impractical" over which Police Commissioner Ray Kelly got to gloat.

        And all we had to give up in return were  1st, 4th and 5th Amendment rights of the  Mosque-attending portion of NY's civilian population.

        Come to think of it: we've probably lost more citizens to shot by  NYPD than have been shot, bombed, gassed, poisoned, or spit on by  "terrorists."

        •  You mock the incredible work (3+ / 0-)

          done to protect us. Some of the attacks were pretty stupid, but some of the foiled plots were very serious.

          And you pretend that terrorist plots simply kill people. They do, but they also cause economic damage and things like PTSD for many, many more people.

          When you look around the world, muslim "terrorists" use bombs to kill hundreds of people each day. I only used the quotes here because you did, Adam, to me, they are terrorists, as in no quotation marks.

          I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

          by heybuddy on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:25:05 PM PDT

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          •  Terror is an effective tactic only because .. (1+ / 0-)
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            and to the extent that,   people are willing

            1) to be terrorized --
            2) to amplify, embellish and spread their fears


            One discovered Terrorist  (singular) becomes The (many) Terrorists.

            "What might have been,"  is every bit as horrifying as  if really had happened --

            Plotters can  be re-imagined as sinister supermen who cannot be detected by ordinary police procedures, who cannot be tried by ordinary courts, or confined in ordinary jails.

            So a malcontent moslem kid from Queens sketching subway stations at the direction of an NYPD paid informant becomes one of Bin Laden's Terrorist SuperDupermen.

            "Everyone Wins !"  The authorities consolidate their power over those who feel the need to be protected ... the terrorists increase their prestige among their sponsors and followers -- and demand is created for private security products and services.  

            Bin Laden was of the opinion that Americans were weak, craven, and easily frightened into self-harming over-reaction.  

            He wasn't very wrong, was he ?

        •  Now that was perhaps the most incoherent thing (1+ / 0-)
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          I have read here in a while.  Of the little I can decode, it teeters between the loathsome and the laughable.

          Quite an achievement.

        •  not so sure about this one: (0+ / 0-)
          Come to think of it: we've probably lost more citizens to shot by  NYPD than have been shot, bombed, gassed, poisoned, or spit on by  "terrorists."
          Maybe over many decades, but about 3000 people were killed by terrorists on 9/11/01.
    •  Get a grip s/he says. Tell the families of those (4+ / 0-)

      once living breathing individuals who died, just because they stood on a street watching a marathon, to get a grip, because someone down the road just got knocked down by a truck.

      This is the kind of insane reasoning that goes on here. The lives of three people are nothing, so let people blow up bombs on busy streets in America....

      Here is a good idea, write your "get a grip" remark, as it relates to terrorists not being a big deal, on huge placards and take them down to lower Manhattan where 3000 people died. I bet you'll be extremely popular!

      •  Not to mention previous jihad attacks on (3+ / 0-)

        Madrid commuter trains, London subways, Mumbai hotels, Bali, Belsen, Israel buses and on and on. Terrorism remains a big potential threat.

      •  Ned, when greenbell said "Get a grip," (1+ / 0-)
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        s/he wasn't talking to the victims, s/he was talking to you.  I'd be willing to bet that greenbell wouldn't speak that way to one of the victims.  I certainly wouldn't, and that's not hypocrisy.  It's only decency and good manners to speak one way when you're airing your views in public, but in a very different way personally to one who has just been seriously injured.  

        No one can deny the special horror of terrorist acts, or that they really do happen sometimes, even to us.  But their incidence is statistically nearly insignificant.  The overreaction of the new surveillance-and-security state has been wildly disproportionate, and a cure far worse than the disease.  

        Who around here has been mocking terrorism and its victims and law-enforcement people, anyway?  I haven't seen any of that.  

    •  Grip this: al Qaeda advocates, encourages, enables (4+ / 0-)

      people visiting or temporarily living in the US to ATTACK us with bombs or other means of destruction. Buggy companies or limo companies are not advocating homegrown terrorism. Lightning or accidental deaths are not the result of an ongoing specific intent to destroy us. Where someone is intent on destroying you, it's not a sound policy to chalk it up to an act of God that can't be foreseen.

      "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

      by Kvetchnrelease on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:21:44 PM PDT

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    •  Three people (3+ / 0-)

      as in two more than Trayvon Martin or Dr. Tiller, yet did you tell anyone posting about them on here to get a grip?

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