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  •  WRONG! (1+ / 0-)
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    When Senator Obama voted against the debt ceiling increase, it was a purely symbolic vote because the increase was in no danger of failing. Thanks for ignoring the obvious.

    •  You are saying just what I said (4+ / 0-)

      that only the difference is that he didn't have as many votes on his side.  I didn't "ignore" that fact.  I think that to pretend that it was ok just because they didn't have the votes is hypocritical.  

      When did the Democrats say, back then, "of course, if we had enough votes to actually stop the debt ceiling increase, we certainly would change our votes"?

      •  Uh, no (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you not understand the concept of symbolic votes? Or are you denying that they exist? Or are you simply saying that they should not exist, and that therefore you are going to pretend that they do not exist?

        Here's what a symbolic vote is: you first verify that there are enough votes on the other side to pass the bill in question. Then you say, 'I recognize that this bill is going to pass, but I believe that we need to draw attention to some aspect of it which I find reprehensible.' And you get to make your statement, and you get to vote against the bill, all while making clear that you do recognize that the bill is going to pass.

        What you're saying, somehow, is that this is the same as voting against the bill and defeating it. It's probably a self-consistent view, but don't you think that the fact that basically nobody else in the country thinks the way you do should make you step back a little bit and reconsider?

        •  "Symbolic votes" against debt ceiling... (2+ / 0-)
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          VClib, TacoPie

          ...suck no matter who is voting against it.

          After all, a vote against raising the debt ceiling is essentially a vote that the federal government should renege on debt for spending that it has already agreed to.  It's a symbolic vote for the idea that it's okay for the federal government to default on its debt and obligations.

          In this particular instance, Coffeetalk has a valid point.  Voting against the debt ceiling increase when you have the power to torpedo it is worse than voting against it when you know it will pass anyway.  But the fact that the first is worse doesn't mean that either should be considered acceptable.

          The bottom line is that Senator Obama's votes against raising the debt ceiling were wrong, and were a mistake.

          Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

          by TexasTom on Mon May 06, 2013 at 08:46:24 PM PDT

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    •  I think you missed what... (0+ / 0-)

      ...he wrote.  You missed the obvious.

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:19:50 PM PDT

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