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  •  Th"gay rights movement" (4+ / 0-)

    (and by this I'm happy to expand this to LGBT and beyond) was hijacked long ago.  By Moloch.   The HLC is Exhibit A -- essentially a club that hosts white parties for its elites, and distributes schwag to its minor contributors.  

    Or look at the continued decline of The Advocatge.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:57:12 PM PDT

    •  Oops, that's HRC, of course. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:59:07 PM PDT

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    •  I was hoping you would show up to (2+ / 0-)

      crap on the parade. But seriously, I really am glad, because you bring a perspective to this which has some truth to it: "wither the gay rights movement?" is a serious question, and one which is not answered by marriage equality alone.

      You make some sense, corvo.

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:00:02 PM PDT

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      •  Which is the very point (4+ / 0-)
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        the diarist made. I really don't understand your hostility to the diary. The diarist claims the primary focus TODAY of LGBT organizations is marriage equality and that one issue isn't the be all and end all. Diarist warns that shouldn't be seen as the final victory.

        The diarist doesn't claim activists of the past did nothing or nothing else but marriage equality. I missed that.

        Encourage youth.

        What about the climate cliff?

        by wayoutinthestix on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:55:04 PM PDT

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    •  HRC, I take it you mean (5+ / 0-)

      and yeah, at this point they are well-known as a classic inside-the-beltway lobbying group.  

      But maybe having our very own K street gang isn't such a bad sign (as long as that isn't ALL we have).  Maybe it means we've achieved a seat at the table in the halls of privilege.  

      As for whether GLBT rights groups are doing a "good enough" job, that's always going to be half-full/half-empty question.   No social-justice movement has done all there is to do.  But, nothing succeeds like success.  I think we're on a pretty good roll just at the moment and there's nothing wrong with pats on the back all around.  Doesn't mean we're done or can stop.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:04:31 PM PDT

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      •  I guess there is an argument to made (3+ / 0-)
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        That nothing testifies to the success of the LGBT rights movement than the assholes in the Log Cabin Republicans...that is, it's become so mainstream that even republicans are pretending to do it.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:09:58 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, but the momentum is splitting (7+ / 0-)

        just the way Andrew Sullivan wanted it to.  Remember Virtually Normal?  A passionate plea for marriage equality, while dismissing claims for all other forms of equality, such as housing and employment nondiscrimination.  You know, those forms of equality that people born to wealth and privilege -- like Andrew Sullivan -- don't need.

        But hey, we can be cannon fodder now, so it's all good.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:12:41 PM PDT

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        •  And let's be clear who Sullivan (3+ / 0-)
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          the great "hero" is

          This is a guy this weekend who was defending a bigot against gays because that bigot was putting down  Keynes for being gay as a reason why Keynes pushed his economic theories

          The context here is that for some once they get what they want, they will return to the class privilege that they feel theya re being denied.

          •  Sullivan is also the guy who moralized (1+ / 0-)
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            against gay promiscuity until someone outed him as a frequent participant on gay bareback hookup sites.  

            I find him an abhorrent, repulsive creature; and the easiest way for a "Democrat" to lose my respect is for him/her to quote Sully as some kind of moral authority on anything.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Tue May 07, 2013 at 09:29:05 AM PDT

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