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  •  I won't pile on here because I think there's (8+ / 0-)

    a real question of what the movement looks like after a marriage victory, but... Speaking only for myself, a lot of what you've written here is half-baked and, with respect, needs some research and longer meditation on the issues.  I stopped reading seriously around here:

    What I mean is this: many organizations have campaigned on the ideology that same-sex marriage is just “right thing to do”, and haven’t really pushed the other arguments which involve the legal and economic benefits of why same-sex marriage should be legal.  
    Oof.  If I were in a worse mood I'd ask you to name the "many organizations" you have in mind, because this is more than a bit of a straw man.  Maybe you're a little young, but the marriage movement started off the last decade of advocacy with exactly that argument: over 1,100 federal marriage benefits that are denied same-sex couples.  You couldn't throw a rock without hitting that number in some speech or flier or pamphlet or poster or whatever.   Here's HRC, here's Freedom to Marry; it's the very first sentence in EQCA's federal discussion, and in the ACLU's summary of DOMA.  Google "1,100 federal benefits" for many, many more.

    The reason you don't see it as much in recent voter-targeted commercials is that the appeal to the "right thing to do" seems to be much more powerful.  Voters aren't often moved by statistics, but they see friends and family members hurting, and they've slowly come around.  That may not be an elegant or intellectually satisfying way for change to have come about, but democracy is a lumbering, human thing, and you have to take that into account.

    So it's really odd to criticize the movement for not doing something that it did do until it found a more effective way of doing it.  I dunno...  Like I said, I think you have some real critiques in here that are worth discussing, but maybe you should spend more time getting the foundation of the issue clear, and then we can have a more informed discussion?  Apologies if that sounds condescending... I do think this is a discussion worth having.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:12:37 PM PDT

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