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  •  When the alternatives are in lieu of, yes it is. (1+ / 0-)
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    You're quitting on the laws requiring guns and quitting on saving the lives such laws would save.

    Of course, that's the entire point: "Go try to cure mental illness first, THEN will be ready to discuss a limit on magazine size" is meant to put off gun laws forever.  

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:06:53 AM PDT

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    •  Coming from your perspective (0+ / 0-)

      it would really help the cause to restrict the obtaining, carry and use of firearms if you could eliminate other variables that gun advocates point to.

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:44:12 AM PDT

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      •  How do you figure? nt (0+ / 0-)

        "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

        by Inland on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:15:31 PM PDT

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        •  Let's say that national mental health services (0+ / 0-)

          access and unemployment demonstrably improved over the next 5 years.

          And then, let's say that gun deaths as a % of the population/deaths stayed static.

          You could then point that out to a lot of people on the fence who aren't sure and say 'HA!'.

          I see what you did there.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:42:41 PM PDT

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          •  So there would be 90 plus percent in favor (1+ / 0-)
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            of expanded background checks instead of just ninety?

            That's what I get for my five years in proving that mental health and low employment don't affect gun crimes?  

            "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

            by Inland on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:12:20 PM PDT

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            •  Fair point on background checks. (0+ / 0-)

              When it didn't pass I commented that was ashamed of our Senate to not pass something that has such support. I took KV's comment as referring to all of the efforts in general...even if the background checks had passed I don't think you could overall consider the group of efforts a success.

              I see what you did there.

              by GoGoGoEverton on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:49:47 PM PDT

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