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  •  That is universal background checks (0+ / 0-)
    (you had to be checked for the permit, but not for each of the several purchases one permit allows).
    If you need a permit to purchase a gun, and a background check is used before you get a permit, then a background check is needed before you purchase a gun, but only for the first gun you purchase.

    I would be happy with that system as long as the permit could be revoked after the fact.

    “And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom” - Anais Nin

    by legendmn on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:42:24 AM PDT

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    •  If you say so (2+ / 0-)
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      If you believe that getting a "firearm permit" now and using it to buy your first gun a year from now with no further background check is the same as a "universal background check" at the time of each and every purchase, then I presume you have no objection to changing the language of the laws being proposed to reflect this.

      •  That would make a lot of gun owners happy (1+ / 0-)
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        I have a handgun purchase permit from the state of California, as well as a Certificate of Eligibility (a voluntary, notarized form where I submitted extra background information and my fingerprints to the CA Department of Justice and the FBI), and handgun safety instructor's certification (again, notarized with fingerprints and extra information). That's in addition to a 03 FFL from the BATFE, which also involved fingerprints plus filing a copy with the local sheriff's department. All together, this has cost me hundreds of dollars (thankfully spread out over time). And that's not to mention renewal fees.

        I still have to pay for a background check that has a ten day waiting period every time I buy a firearm with the exception of curio and relic firearms, and even then, for handguns, I still have to pay the same Dealer Record of Sale (the background check fee is part of the DROS, no discount).

        I don't know that having one background check ever, or only once every number of years, is the best idea, but I will admit it would certainly be far more convenient and less expensive.

      •  I want something more comprehensive (0+ / 0-)

        but saying that it isn't universal when everyone that has a gun has gone through a background check is not being honest.

        “And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom” - Anais Nin

        by legendmn on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:35:40 AM PDT

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        •  What about those who already own firearms? nt (1+ / 0-)
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          Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

          by KVoimakas on Wed May 08, 2013 at 06:49:24 AM PDT

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          •  We were talking about Switzerland (0+ / 0-)

            but in the USA, the only legislation likely to pass and not be subject to a constitutional challenge is mandating background checks for all purchases. Mandating background checks for all existing firearms would most likely be unconstitutional and probably unenforceable since there is no national registry of firearms and no way to find out who owns existing firearms.

            A better plan would be voluntary gun buyback programs, which have been proven to work.

            “And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom” - Anais Nin

            by legendmn on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:05:41 AM PDT

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