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  •  90 per cent didn't get what It wanted. This time. (1+ / 0-)
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    But nothing is off the table.  

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Tue May 07, 2013 at 05:15:55 PM PDT

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    •  And while you continue to lick your wounds and (1+ / 0-)
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      attempt to form a coalition to defeat the republicans in the Senate and House, thousands more will continue to die.

      Why can't we at least attempt to push my suggestions???? Since gun control will not pass in this Congress. Or are we going to be forever divided while the status quo remains?

      Is it because you really don't want to help the 600,00+ Americans that attempt suicide and the 30,000+ that succeed?  Don't you want to help the 133,000 Americans that have died from poverty? Don't you want to end the unfunded resource wars? Make the 1% pay their fair share? End the racist drug war?  Rebuild our cities while creating living wage jobs for all?

      Is your position truly that empty? Either you get your precious gun control or you won't work towards Equity Under Law for all?

      Is that it?

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue May 07, 2013 at 05:53:41 PM PDT

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      •  Quite a list you have there. (1+ / 0-)
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        It's amazing how much good will and cooperation and effort you expect from the Republicans, not to mention from me, after approving of their disgusting performance in blocking the will of ninety percent of Americans.   NINETY PER CENT.

        It's great, it really is, that you've delivered the challenge to change the entirety of society after you and yours blocked something as miniscule and as popular as expanded background checks.  You probably even think that you are pushing change, when in reality you're telling people that no matter what, a well funded group of ten percent can block anything.  

        Here's what I'm taking from this: fuck giving up on the reasonable changes to background checks, magazine sizes and banning military weapons.  It's the percentage shot, and if it doesn't pass, every senator can eat campaign ads featuring their votes.

        Oh....by the way....thanks for nothing.

        "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

        by Inland on Tue May 07, 2013 at 06:34:29 PM PDT

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        •  So, you're taking your toys and going home? (1+ / 0-)
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          I could care less what the republicans want.  We need a leader to beat their asses into submission, use the full power the Office of the President can muster to get them back into their little boxes. One that will use the bully pulpit to put them in their places...sadly, I'm still waiting for that President.

          And it's it odd that you now blame me for allowing the Supreme Court appointments that occurred under GW that lead to the Citizen's United Decision?  The one that allows our Corporate Overlords to buy our politicians lock, stock and barrel?

          Isn't it odd that if we go back to the first AWB that actually got us handled our pink slips in the 90's the same republicans wouldn't have been able to "deregulate" media outlets that gave rise to the likes of Fox News and Rush?  And the Impeachment of a sitting president for getting a blow-job?  Or get the repeal of Glass-Steagall that lead to the biggest heist in human history and causing the collapse of the entire world's economy???

          Your "precious" gun control has done more damage to this nation in 20 short years than all the guns ever have. Let's not forget the million plus dead Iraqi's and hundreds of thousands of dead Afghans!  

          You see, my position hasn't changed one bit.  The only way your banning of "assault rifles" can be considered even remotely constitutional, as per Miller, would be to ban them for all Americans, including LEO, Military, etc.

          That's not what was pushed.

          UBC's and magazine restrictions will do nothing to lower gun violence.  Don't take my word for it...The NYS Sheriff's Association doesn't believe it either.  You see, my State did pass Gun Control:

          http://www.nysheriffs.org/...

          • Requirement of NICS checks for private sales (except between immediate family). We believe that this will ensure that responsible citizens will still be able to obtain legal firearms through private transactions, with the added assurance that private buyers are approved by the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System. We remain concerned that this provision will be very difficult to enforce and will likely only affect law abiding citizens.

          -cut-

          •Assault weapon ban and definition of assault weapons. We believe that the new definition of assault weapons is too broad, and prevents the possession of many weapons that are legitimately used for hunting, target shooting and self defense. Classifying firearms as assault weapons because of one arbitrary feature effectively deprives people the right to possess firearms which have never before been designated as assault weapons. We are convinced that only law abiding gun owners will be affected by these new provisions, while criminals will still have and use whatever weapons they want.

          -cut-

          • Reduction of ammunition magazine capacity. The new law enacts reductions in the maximum capacity of gun magazines. We believe based on our years of law enforcement experience that this will not reduce gun violence. The new law will unfairly limit the ability of law‐abiding citizens to purchase firearms in New York. It bears repeating that it is our belief that the reduction of magazine capacity will not make New Yorkers or our communities safer.

          Somehow I'm to blame, really? Even the professionals don't believe you.

          So, you really don't want to progressively push this nation forward?  You have no legitimate solutions to help stop the violence we all must face?

          I've been pushing for my suggestions for years, only to be laughed at, ridiculed and belittled. And here we are nothing still gets done.

          Great game we go going, isn't it?

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Tue May 07, 2013 at 07:37:42 PM PDT

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          •  No, I'm taking the gun votes and jamming them (1+ / 0-)
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            right back up your barrel.   After declaring it all "off the table", I'm doing the exact opposite of quitting.  Thanks for your concern in my finding some other solution that you will allow me to look for as long as I give up on the gun thing.  See you in November 2014.

            "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

            by Inland on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:41:43 AM PDT

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            •  Really now, so it was never about saving the (1+ / 0-)
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              children, was it?

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:00:28 AM PDT

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              •  Of course it is. (1+ / 0-)
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                Because we don't believe that you get to decide what actions we get to take for the children based on what you say is "off the table".  

                Your attempt to say, "Not that, only this" fails because we care about children more than we care about you.

                "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

                by Inland on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:08:00 AM PDT

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                •  If your position were true then why haven't (1+ / 0-)
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                  you done anything constructive towards those ends?

                  Your gun control attempts failed...so what's your next move?

                  Stomp your feet and whine until you get what you want?  IN the mean time, how many more people will die?

                  And BTW, until the next election, what chances are there for a gun control bill getting through this Congress?  My guess is slim to none...meaning it's off the table.

                  I like to deal in reality.  We still control two branches of this government. We could do other things until such time as you believe you'll get the votes for your "precious".

                  Why won't you even consider other options? Ones that we could actually accomplish? Are you afraid they'll actually work and you won't get the guns after all?

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:26:07 AM PDT

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