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  •  Do people just make shit up? (2+ / 0-)
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    Nospinicus, JNEREBEL

    To fit their narrative? Blowing up Iraq was not something Israel wanted. Iraq was stuck in a box and couldn't do anything. Bush was warned by Israelis AGAINST occupying the country. They knew it was a stupid idea what would be of no benefit to them, and it hasn't been. Same with the destruction of the functioning Syrian state. Hostilities have been few and far between over the last couple decades, the relationship between Israel and some of its other neighbors are far more tenuous. Dissolving functioning states has not been particularly good for Israel, which is one of the reasons why they've never been terribly supportive of change. Enemy you know v enemy you don't know. Syria is no different.

    •  Nothing was made up (0+ / 0-)

      It is history. This is from 1996.


      "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions."

      Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

      by truong son traveler on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:08:52 PM PDT

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      •  Nice job citing something meaningless (0+ / 0-)

        Clean Break was rejected by Netanyahu. So as far as Israeli policy is concerned, it's a meaningless piece of paper. More importantly, almost nothing that Israel has done in the last 15 years indicates that any Clean Break policies were adopted. So you've pointed to a meaningless piece of paper that is conflict with actual history.

        •  do you expect people to believe (0+ / 0-)

          that it was pure coincidence that "removing Saddam from power" and rolling back Syria had become US policy?

          There is interest overlap there but there is more to it than that.

          Was it simply coincidence that Syria is being attacked using proxy forces exactly as called for in that policy paper?

          The Clean Break policies were adopted by the US largely through the influence of neocons with close ties to Israel and an some overlapping interests, security for Israel and the Path to Persia and global primacy for the US.

          Plausible dependability on behalf of Israel does not work so well in these times. People are become more aware of what is going on and they are not pleased with these policies which they see are not in their own interests.

          Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

          by truong son traveler on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:01:10 AM PDT

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    •  Look who's making shit up (0+ / 0-)

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