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  •  If people repeatedly misleading information (1+ / 0-)
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    it is now forbidden to comment about that?

    Especially when it is so puzzling as this diary - basically, elevating the comments of a two bit flunky to god like status.

    I really don't get why.   I guess I should just let it go and let all this nonsense take its natural course.

    But still, I've been here a while and the "reality based" meme has gotten under my skin and it's difficult to just shrug it off.

    •  Advocacy and Policy Formation by Conflation (0+ / 0-)

      rather than by proving the case is an endemic problem here at Daily Kos on matters of energy and environment.

      Advocacy and policy formation by conflation is NOT the practice of conservation science and stewardship.  Rather, such conflations are a form of scientific misconduct.   In a community that is 'reality-based' there needs to be an understanding of what scientific misconduct is and what it means.

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      That level of courtesy must be even higher in group diaries.
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      Rodbedguy, look you've made your point, fine. But its not your job to police other diaries for facts.

      Those rail cars can ship 1.8mbpd, you made that point, current production is about 1.7mbpd, DO the math, pipeline capacity plus rail capacity, what is the number? 2.1mbpd?

      Tar sands production is nearly capped, because of the lack of shipping capacity.
      http://www.ceri.ca/...
      http://e360.yale.edu/...

      Yes, CN can build tons of new rail cars, but at a certain point the tracks become the limiting factor. I guarantee you that railcar shipping has its limits. Rail infrastructure to move an additional 3-4-5 million bpd will never be built.

      And as part of the bigger picture, rail cars are being thrown into the breech,  is that because the Northern Gateway pipeline is DOA. Keystone is under pressure, Trailbreaker and Energy East are being revived, because the tar sands partners have no choice.

      Bruce March, an Exxon vice president

       But asked if rail transit can support the long-term growth of oil sands production, March said, "I don't know that for sure."

      Read more: http://thehill.com/...
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      On new pipeline capacity..
      “Some of them have to happen or the growth will slow down,” ConocoPhillips CEO Ryan Lance told reporters.

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      SO thats 2 oil execs saying that the lack of pipeline capacity is a real issue, that shipping by rail wont be able to solve capacity issues in the long term. But for the new future they think rail cars are fine.

      I'm sure thats exactly their job, tell the shareholders everythings cool.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:36:58 PM PDT

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