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  •  I believe Chris Hayes said tonight (1+ / 0-)
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    that he had a felony domestic abuse charge in his history.

    •  And the point? (1+ / 0-)
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      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Wed May 08, 2013 at 09:56:37 PM PDT

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      •  Good deed one day, another day, not so much. (0+ / 0-)
        •  Not so much? (0+ / 0-)

          From what I've heard, his past has much in common with the alleged perpetrator.  Did he do a good deed?  Apparently.  But it may have been on impulse and nothing more courageous or charitable than that. There was another man involved as well, whose story of the "rescue" appears to differ from this guy's.

          We seem to need a hero, regardless.

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        In addition to helping the girls, he is a convicted felon whose rap sheet includes three separate domestic violence convictions that resulted in prison terms, court records show.
        You need to do serious damage to get that record.
        And he never paid any court ordered child support. So he did a good thing, is funny and is a puke. Now let's forget about him, unless you people want to make the wife beater, deadbeat dad a hero. Sure, it's America after all.

        •  Shits complicated. That's the real world. (8+ / 0-)

          Sometimes, fucked up people do heroic shit.

          Or, do you believe that there is no redemption for people who commit crimes?

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          by JesseCW on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:19:21 AM PDT

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          •  Hope For Redemption Scarce At Times (1+ / 0-)
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            Shits complicated. That's the real world. Sometimes, fucked up people do heroic shit.

            Or, do you believe that there is no redemption for people who commit crimes?

            I'm of the impression, from several years of participating at DKos, that there are a lot of 'unforgivers' among progressives. The past can be prologue, but the present often offers redeeming moments.

            Who's to say that this action on the part of Mr. Ramsey isn't the first day of the rest of his life as a better man?

            For some of you commenting in this diary, this man has no chance of redemption. Live with that, like a chain around your neck attached to a millstone many miles under the sea, and you ultimately won't find any peace in your heart. We are all in this together...

            "Treat others as you would like them to treat you." -St. Luke 6: 31 (NEB) Christians are given a tough assignment here: Love the people you don't even like...

            by paz3 on Thu May 09, 2013 at 09:48:11 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not going to apologize for the dude, or (8+ / 0-)

          make excuses for him. We all have bad and good in us, and it sounds like in his case, there may be quite a whole lotta bad.

          On the other hand, from some of what he said, and from the rap sheet you laid out, I wonder whether he might not have been grateful if one of his neighbors had intervened when he was out of control. I'm guessing he doesn't have a cadillac health care policy that's going to pay for behavioral mod therapy.

          The deadbeat dad thing is odd, given that in Anderson Cooper's interview he showed no interest in receiving any of the reward that has long been posted in these cases -- he said, "Give it to them," meaning the women. That's a noble inclination -- but it shows no awareness at all of the financial status of his child or children, or in fact, any consciousness that he has any immediate financial crisis, like a great big chunk of unpaid child support hanging over his head. (Did he really "never" pay child support? It's kind of hard to get away with that nowadays. I was receiving garnishment threats from Michigan, because somehow they'd gotten me confused with another guy with the same name (though different middle initial, and of course different social security). He did tell Cooper that before this, the only thing keeping him up at night was worrying about money, but now ...

          I will say, in closing, that wanting our heroes to be perfect heroes, rather than ordinary folks with all the variety of flaws that different ordinary folks possess, makes it that much harder for ordinary folks to behave heroically. This was an idea I first read in a book by Jonathan Kozoll, who observed that when we beatify someone like Martin Luther King, we make it almost impossible for kids to aspire to taking up where he left off -- because they know that "unlike" him, they are sinful, and selfish, and frightened, and greedy, and angry, and violent, and so on. Thus, MLK isn't a role model for them -- he doesn't show them what they could do, rather he shows them that they must wait for the next Saint Martin to show up and lead them.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Thu May 09, 2013 at 06:06:53 AM PDT

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