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  •  And "Bill Clinton said in 1997..." (12+ / 0-)

    Even though Bill Clinton said just a few weeks ago that now is the right time for new gun legislation.

    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:41:56 PM PDT

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    •  Wonder what new legislation he has in mind "now" (1+ / 0-)
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      In January it was

      Former President Bill Clinton warned a group of top Democratic donors at a private Saturday meeting not to underestimate the passions that gun control stirs among many Americans.

      “Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.

      “You have the power to really democratize America,” Clinton said. “You can do it on immigration reform, you can do it on these economic issues. You can do it on implementing the health care bill.”

      But, Clinton warned, the issue of guns has a special emotional resonance in many rural states — and simply dismissing pro-gun arguments is counterproductive.

      http://www.politico.com/...

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:00:29 PM PDT

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      •  The country is no longer willing to simply (7+ / 0-)

        pay the toll for our loose gun policies, without question.

        Request the diarist's permission to repost my prior comment - the parts of gun violence that some prefer not to address.

        What's the bottom line?
        The cost of gun violence is born by those who survive, those who must pick up the piece of shattered lives; that may be the person who survived a gunshot, or it may be those who survive the deceased.

        In much of our discussion of firearm death, we speak of gunshot victims in terms of a binary function - did they die on the spot or did they survive. But that is only because the finality of death makes the reporting of it much more timely (usually). The authorities must be called. Next of kin must be notified. Someone must determine the probable cause of death. Accident? Suicide? Homicide?

        Of course there are other factors that influence whether someone will survive a gunshot, such as access to state of the art medical care.

        A few weeks ago the Washington Post published an analysis of firearm suicides, a topic that is difficult for many people to talk about, and compared their findings side by side with homicide data.

        Gun deaths shaped by race in America
        By Dan Keating, Updated: March 22, 2013

        Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.
        Washington Post - Gun deaths shaped by race in America - Figure 1 (Image 2)
        Washington Post - Gun deaths shaped by race in America - Figure 1
        The article nails one of the most confounding features of suicide, an aspect that many people find hard to understand, unless they've experienced the dynamic of suicide up close and personal themselves, or with someone they know well.
        The impulse to commit suicide has been described as a trance, and the speed and lethality of a gun make it harder to interrupt the trance. Attempts at suicide are more than 20 times as likely to be fatal when a gun is used.

        (Harvard School of Public Health, Case Fatality Ratio by Method of Self-Harm, United States, 2001).

        The article maps the origins of our national divide on gun safety and breaks out some key findings state-by-state, as gun deaths per 1 million people.
        Washington Post - Gun deaths shaped by race in America - Figure 3 (Image 4)
        Washington Post - Gun deaths shaped by race in America - Figure 3
        "Gun deaths in urban areas are much more likely to be homicides, while suicide is far and away the dominant form of gun death in rural areas. States with the most guns per capita, such as Montana and Wyoming, have the highest suicide rates; states with low gun ownership rates, such as Massachusetts and New York, have far fewer suicides per capita."
        For more detail, they created an interactive map, Gun suicide and homicide: statistics shaped by race. Note: All charts show age-adjusted rate per 1 million people unless noted.

        The summary captures why it is so hard for us to reach agreement about new legislation.

        Contrasting life experiences, whether from a family member’s suicide or the death of a relative in a homicide, drive the nation’s split over an essential element of the gun debate: Would fewer guns save lives? Survivors of homicide victims consistently tell pollsters that the answer is yes, but the response to suicide is different.
        “We have less empathy with those who take their own lives,” said Sean Joe, an expert on suicide and violence at the University of Michigan. “So we don’t have the same national outcry. The key argument for me is that increased access to firearms increases suicide and homicide.”
        Suicide frightens us. Sometimes, it makes us feel impotent, or guilty. We often wonder if there was some way we could have known, or something we could have done. Like homicide, the forward costs of attempted gun suicides are born by the survivors, who too often must also bear extra burdens of shame and regret.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:08:57 PM PDT

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        •  Different audience, different message I guess (0+ / 0-)

          Consumer Electronics Show vs private meeting with top donors.

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:14:17 PM PDT

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    •  He also described it as a toxic landmine. (0+ / 0-)

      Confidence, like to see that.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Tue May 07, 2013 at 03:37:00 PM PDT

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