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  •  Liberty is important... (3+ / 0-)

    The bigger issue is that, America as a country was primarily built around the car. Outside of major cities founded in the 1800s, there are few usable mass transit options for people - especially those who live in 'suburbia'. Ever try to use public transit to get from San Jose to Oakland? It's a greek tragedy. The only way to be mobile in America is to own a vehicle, unfortunately.

    I'll also admit, I believe it's my god given right as an American to cheap fuel, and a supercharged 550 horsepower V8 under the hood of my car. There are countless others who would not give it up easily - and the only way to force a change on us would be to make gas so expensive that I can't economically justify my 12 mile per gallon daily driver.

    Another reason I don't give it up: It's too late to do anything. By the time I had my driver's license, climate change was already in process, and the tipping points have already been surpassed - the only real fix, I suspect, will be massive geoengineering projects involving methane and carbon dioxide recapture from the atmosphere - a monumental undertaking, but I see it as the only viable fix. Even if we stopped CO2 emissions completely, we still have 6 degrees C by 2100. We charge full speed ahead toward our demise...

    •  As the chemical engineering of the 20th C (4+ / 0-)

      demonstrated in agriculture, weed control and numerous other industrial and consumer goods, we aren't nearly as good at it as we think. Numerous illnesses and diseases have impacted untold species, with particular significance in cardiovascular, respiratory and central nervous system effects.

      I don't think, nor do many others for that matter, that successful, safe geo-engineering is likely this century.

      I don't mean that to imply that you do, either.

      I just think it bears saying.

      From here on out, no one can escape the havoc wrought by the unmitigated Class, Climate and Terror Wars.

      by Words In Action on Wed May 08, 2013 at 03:46:17 AM PDT

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    •  Liberty needs to be consciously redefined (3+ / 0-)
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      isabelle hayes, PaloAltoPixie, xaxnar

      so that it includes ecology as a reasonable limit. With 42% of habitable land in use, we need to bid goodbye to that lovely earth we saw whole in 1971, and welcome our urbanized planet.
          This means that we accept not only the planetary city we have built, but also the undeniable need to make our city ecologically sound--or perish.
         See the Vimeo videos of the earth at night as seen from the space station to gain a foothold on our new earth.
          Freedom must be pragmatic, or we live not as a free people, but as sleeping fools destined for tragedy.

      The labor of a human being is not a commodity or article of commerce. Clayton Act, Section 6.

      by Ignacio Magaloni on Wed May 08, 2013 at 02:13:13 PM PDT

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    •  When gas prices start climbing, Nancy Pelosi (0+ / 0-)

      is always the first one to cry foul.  Somebody should clue her in.  

      The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

      by helfenburg on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:21:10 AM PDT

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