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    Does torture being worse than the loss of those liberties make concern for those liberties any less valid?
    No.  But I'm of the view that one needs to keep some perspective.  I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about making sure that a person isn't tortured and abused in a prison in some God-forsaken corner of the world than I am, say, about whether I can marry the partner of my choice.  The latter is an injustice and a matter of de jure discrimination, but I'd never claim the inability to marry another man is even remotely as severe a deprivation of liberty as torture is.  To do so would be the height of self-absorption.  

    These things are not equal in degree, even if you think they are of a kind.  It's a bit like Chief Justice Roberts claiming that considering a person's race in balancing a school's population is the same thing as Jim Crow.  Sure, race may be involved in both, but they are in no way comparable.

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Fri May 10, 2013 at 08:55:51 PM PDT

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    •  Then we are in agreement. (0+ / 0-)

      Moving on......

      With the issue of 'perspective' in mind:
      Gun control will cost votes. How many is yet to be seen....but as elections are won on the margins......

      Without discussing how many votes the will/won't lose, let us engage in a hypothetical:
      Is gun control worth losing Democrats over? Is it worth losing the social liberalism they have in most other issues?
      Is it worth losing the chance for progressive economics?

      Quite frankly, how fucking important is the AWB to you?
      Because it is really important to many....but they aren't the ones that are for it.

      Is it worth it?

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:02:34 PM PDT

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