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  •  OK... Does it mean anything with this (0+ / 0-)


    I suppose it is possible to design a rigorous curriculum for a mainstreamed mentally handicapped child with standards that are high given his/her capabilities.  But now it has become a syllogism.

    And how do you explain the rest of the paragraph?

    You can "get smart." Learning is primarily determined by their effective effort and use of appropriate strategies. "Intelligence" is not a fixed inborn limit on learning capacity. All children have the raw material to do rigorous academic material at high standards.
    Obviously, at least at the extremes, intelligence is a fixed inborn limit on learning capacity.  A profoundly mentally retarded child with an IQ of 50 is not going to learn calculus - his "intelligence" is a fixed inborn limit on his learning capacity.

    The only question is how far to those limits extend to children closer to the middle of the bell curve.

    •  The point is that while there may be (0+ / 0-)

      limits on either end intelligence is not fixed, but rather fluctuates through an individual's lifetime according to the effort they exert.

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      by litho on Thu May 09, 2013 at 08:19:37 AM PDT

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      •  Results fluctuate based on efford (0+ / 0-)

        A smart guy can flunk if he blows off his work, but that's the whole point - he will pass unless he blows off the work whereas someone not so smart will need to work his ass off or not be able to pass even if he does so.

        When I was in college I joined a military frat.  I had to run 2 miles in 15 minutes and doing it damn near killed me - I was up at 6am for 3 months running running running trying to cut my time so I could make the cut.  There were other guys who were not runners, were not athletes, but who could just go to the track, start running, and do 2 miles in well under 15 minutes.  I made my time with huge effort, but claiming that I was as athletic as they were would have just been stupid.

        On the other hand, academics always came easily to me.  I barely studied and got As.  In high school I tutored a girl in calculus who just could not get it.  She worked and worked and worked - we spent hours and hours on problems and review - but she didn't seem to be able to apply the concepts to the problems.  I got her to the point where she passed (although she skipped the AP test), but only with huge effort on both our parts (and frankly lenient grading by her teacher since I had told him how hard she was working).  She put in huge effort and it let her get by, but claiming that it somehow made her smarter would just be silly.

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